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welcome to just energy radio with your

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host naturopath and medical intuitive dr

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reed louise

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we have learned from einstein's theory

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that matter and energy are one

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physicists believe that all systems in

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nature have their own particular way of

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vibrating from the swinging of a

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pendulum to the waves of the ocean to

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the light that brightens the sky each

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day each of these oscillates at its own

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unique rate the same holds true for

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every thought feeling event or word we

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speak each has its own frequency or rate

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of vibration what many of us don't

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realize is when we take everything in

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our universe down to its simplest form

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it is all just energy

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join dr reed louise on a journey through

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time and space where past present and

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future collide

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today what you believe may be called

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into question what we want to know is

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who made up the rules

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be brave and step outside the box we are

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about to turn our world upside down and

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venture into the unknown

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hold on we are departing our own beliefs

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and entering alternative realms

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hello and welcome to just energy radio

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i'm your host dr rita louise and thank

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anyway we're going to have a great show

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tonight we have a good friend of just

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energy radio we have mike barra coming

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on tonight talking to us about

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ancient aliens on mars 2. i don't know i

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guess we're going to find out about that

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but let me tell you a little bit about

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mike

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best-selling author lecturer and

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tv personality he began his writing

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career after spending more than 25 years

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as an engineering

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engineering design consultant for a

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major aerospace companies where he is a

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card-carrying member of the

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military-industrial complex

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tonight he'll be building on his case

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made in ancient aliens on mars one and

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using data acquired from sophisticated

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new scientific instruments like the mars

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odyssey

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themis

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infrared imager mike is going to show us

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how regions of the cydonia

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a vast underground city filled with

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enormous structures and devices that

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still may be operating

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wow so please welcome to just energy

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mike barra hey mike how are you i'm good

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rita how are you well that's a that's an

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old bio that's like last year's book you

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know we can talk about that all you want

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but i i'm almost done with this this

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year's book so

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you know we're getting uh i i'm just

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rolling i got so many things going i

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can't i can't remember what i'm talking

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about from moment to moment

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well i think the last time you were on

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we were talking about ancient aliens on

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mars one and the new book was coming out

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like the next week it was like boom boom

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so because you were busy you were busy

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with your tv show and you didn't have

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time to come here and hang out with us

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yeah yeah so but i got you now and i'm

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waiting for the new book because you

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have another new book i wish more women

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would say that about me i've got you now

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february i'm supposed to be very

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attractive this month according to my

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numerology so i i'm i got my eyes open

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for the next ex mrs barra that's going

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to come along

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i can't remember what that post you had

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on facebook was about

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yeah you and your friend hanging out

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yeah well no i i have a friend uh named

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francie renmark actually her name is

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jill st james that's her that's her pen

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name and she uh she's an amazing

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numerologist and and she's got me tagged

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for february being a great month for me

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to meet my next mate so i kind of

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twisted it around into you know meeting

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my next ex-wife is uh you know i just

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got to get the house in the car that i'm

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going to give you after we break up

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all bot and then

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you know we'll have to compare notes

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because i'll give a presentation and

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i'll be saying well you know

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and tell this story you know but it'll

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be about an x and it's like oh but not

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the one i just told you about it was a

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different one a different x yes yeah

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it's like i've been married way too many

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times it's just not even funny well for

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me it's just the once um but i'm looking

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forward to number two you know is it

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number two where i i picked the really

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gorgeous young girl and marry her and

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then that turns into a complete disaster

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isn't that it's not the one you always

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talk about with the third wife is the

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perfect one and age appropriate

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i don't know i don't know i'm ready to

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get going though i don't know i haven't

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really been attracted to some you know

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young sweet

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thing you know just not my speed well

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really you know it's interesting because

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that's interesting you'd say that

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a bit i mean over the last i've been

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divorced geez 10 years now and

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and you know i've met a lot of girls and

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some of them i was

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serious with and i had a couple of

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fairly serious relationships and the

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third one that i really wanted to be

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serious that kind of was sometimes

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and it was one of these things where i

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just thought you know

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what do i want out of the next

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girl the one that i really want to you

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know what i want to get i realized i

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wanted to get married again that was one

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of the gifts i got from one of the

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relationships that didn't work out

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and i thought you know what i really

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want is sweet i i don't care if the next

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girl is as dumb as a post as long as

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she's sweet because my last wife was

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super smart and vicious

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but you know it's wrong

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go the other way

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but you know if ron white says you can't

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fix stupid yeah

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but you don't have to you don't have to

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i mean it's like i'm looking you know

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intelligence is an admirable quality in

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in a man or a woman but uh it's not a

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requirement for me i you know i i just

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want i i want a sweet girl this time so

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that's what i'm looking for

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then you need to move to texas

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maybe even louisiana or arkansas i don't

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yeah well unfortunately it appears i'm

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moving towards la instead so i guess

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that's closer to texas than seattle but

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you know they're not not a whole lot not

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a large supply of sweet ones in la i

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don't think yeah i don't think so either

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mike let's talk about you because you

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have ancient aliens on mars

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you know and i know we talked about um

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a whole bunch of different things don't

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forget ancient aliens on the moon don't

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forget the choice and don't forget dark

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mission and the soon to be released

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ancient aliens and secret societies

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that's coming along too i know i'm

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waiting for that one it was supposed to

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be released this month but then they

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told me no it's not and i said

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okay yeah that's because the author has

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to finish it and

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he's about a week away from doing that

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but now my life's about to be turned

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upside down so i don't know when it's

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going to be finished hopefully the end

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yes we were going to talk about ancient

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aliens on mars 2 right

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that's right um

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but let's start here just kind of we're

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going to kind of backtrack on some

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information we covered in the last

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interview just kind of general

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information um

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but what let you know because the whole

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concept is that there were

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extraterrestrials on mars at some point

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time so what led you to believe that

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there was once intelligent life aka a

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civilization

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on mars well for me it's simply looking

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at all the pictures of the stuff that

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they left behind i mean the monuments

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the pyramids the

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landing strips the machinery the

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equipment

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all the stuff that you can see from

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orbit as well as down on the ground

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uh by the the various rovers that have

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been traveling over mars now for for the

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better part of 10 years and just taking

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all kinds of pictures of these things i

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mean really if you know my background is

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mechanical engineering and that's not

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architecture but i know how i know

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structure when i see it and

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you know i've just looked at many of

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these things on mars that were first

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brought up in the 1970s as possibly

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being artificial and the more you study

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them the more you analyze them the more

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you dig into them the more clear it

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becomes at least to my mind that we're

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talking about artificial structures and

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not natural formations and you know it's

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it's it's one of these things where

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you've got that

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long-range sort of um

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support you've got these all these

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different images of mars that show

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different things that for a variety of

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reasons that we can talk about over the

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course of the next couple hours you know

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verify that they're artificial and then

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you know you have these rovers landing

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in different spots on mars but also

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driving around and and

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taking images of all kinds of things

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that to my eye are

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equipment mechanical devices i mean we

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found what looked like cameras what look

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like

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circuit boards that have been eroded um

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air conditioners you know

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wrenches clamps

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um gears what looks like you know metal

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cased objects with flywheel engine type

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intakes inside of them just everything

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you could imagine from a mechanical

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engineering standpoint anything that you

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might see

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on an airplane or in the factory that

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built it you can find on mars and you

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can find these various rover pictures

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whether it's pathfinder

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spirit opportunity or even now curiosity

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they're just all over the place and

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so you've got multiple levels of

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confirmation

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and just after 15 20 years of looking at

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all this stuff very closely i just

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you know for me it's a foregone

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conclusion that we're looking at

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extraterrestrial architecture

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well and it sounds like these images are

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up close and personal it's not like they

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are

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orbiting from space and taking high

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definition photos but they're

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really well

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actually some actually some of them are

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i mean that's one of the things i

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covered in ancient aliens on mars was

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the orbital images of objects like the

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the face on mars

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the dnm pyramid which is a pentagonal

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five-sided petagonal pyramid on mars it

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actually has two separate axes of

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symmetry which means that it's

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symmetrical about two different center

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lines and you know again people try to

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claim this is a wind eroded object which

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is ridiculous because if it was wind

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eroded it would be rounded it would not

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be angular like this

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and uh it's in complete isolation and

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you cannot find any naturally occurring

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pyramidal mountains on earth or anywhere

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else that are in isolation and not part

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of a mountain range and you know i look

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at stuff like that and you know we can

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look at that from space and we can look

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at the details and

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then when we get deeply into the face on

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mars if you actually look at the areas

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that have been eroded away

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by wind you can see

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room-sized cellular type structures

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there's an area on the face that's in

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the second mars book ancient aliens on

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mars two where it's literally the size

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of a sports arena and you can see that

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the roof has collapsed inside and the

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support structure all the beams and

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girders and things that support it

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go around this thing at a 90 degree

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angle kind of a square they're all

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sticking up in other words the roof is

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caved in and you see all the support

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struts still sticking up and it looks

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exactly like um sports arenas in the u.s

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that have had their roofs collapsed and

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it's the same size but it's actually on

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this gigantic monument the face on mars

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and it's it's shown in the high

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resolution mars reconnaissance orbiter

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images which by by the way people have

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accused me of of never talking about or

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never showing the um the high resolution

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images of the face and that's just

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absolute nonsense there's all kinds of

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stuff about them and all my in my books

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both mars books so that's just

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a bunch of bs

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and then you know you do have the

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supporting

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uh ground truth that the rovers give us

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which is again just

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the kind of stuff that you would expect

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to find in a junkyard

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if the planet mars was in fact what what

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myself and other people allege it is

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you talked about this sports arena kind

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of complex and one of the questions that

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i had for you

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is based on the side i mean it's

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sounding like let me back up it's

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sounding like

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we can identify the relative size of

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these different structures or monuments

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that

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you are talking about or we'll be

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talking about uh tonight

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can you identify or figure out if there

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were inhabitants that were occupying

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these structures

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how big they would be they were

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roughly the same size as us um before

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before we do this so let's go let's go a

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little bit deeper into this um and let

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people know that you can go to my blog

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dot mikebara.blogspot.com or just search

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mike barra on google it's the first

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thing that comes up and that's b-a-r-a

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and if you go to my blog

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mikebar.blogspot.com and click on the

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photos tab

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there's a link on the next page that

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says all the images from my books

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ancient aliens on the moon and mars are

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available on my picasa web album so if

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you just click on that

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picasa web album link

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it'll take you right to

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a page where you can look at all these

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different things that we're talking

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about from both

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ancient aliens on mars ancient aliens on

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mars two and then also ancient aliens on

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on the moon so they're all right in

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there and we can go look at them um

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so you know what i'm talking about

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okay so

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um i just wanted to let that out so you

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know um

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yeah you can you can you know the

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distance of the orbiter so you kind of

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have a per pixel scale and then from

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that you can deduce

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about how roughly how big these things

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are you know the face itself is really

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an enormous structure it's about a mile

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and a half long by a little over a mile

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wide

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it's uh it's quite enormous it goes up

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very very high into the sky the tip of

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the nose is the highest point on the

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face on mars

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and um you know it has an eye socket

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that's look like looks like a human eye

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socket it has a brow ridge it has a nose

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it has what looks like a mouth that goes

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through it has what appear to be

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nostrils and then when you get into the

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absolute depth of it you get into this

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really super high resolution detail you

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see these rooms and these buildings and

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they are built at roughly a human scale

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so you know i

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i've always asked myself why would

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why would an alien species that didn't

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look like us build

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a human looking face on mars and the

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answer is they wouldn't and what i

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suspect is that this is extraterrestrial

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rather than alien

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and the context of that to me means that

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alien means not really genetically

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related to us whereas extraterrestrial

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to me means pretty much like us

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um

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and that we're kind of an offshoot of of

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them so they're extraterrestrial as

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opposed to uh established to alien

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well that's a really interesting

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separation that's kind of like god with

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a big g and god with little g they're

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aliens

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and they're just extraterrestrials right

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which i use that all the time i mean i

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use the god with a small judy as opposed

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to god with a big g and and you know

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unfortunately what most people don't

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appreciate i think is that mostly the

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god in the bible that's talked about

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most the time is actually a god with a

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small g not god with a big g he's only

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really in genesis

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so um

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that's one of the interesting things

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there either yeah well he's there about

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14 times i think in genesis if i did did

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research for that for my second book the

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choice and

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and um

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that's what my next book ancient aliens

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and secret societies is about is the

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gods with a small g and what were they

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well that ought to be some interesting

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conversation it should be it should be i

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hope it is i hope it is

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when talking about the face on mars i

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feel like i'm kind of jumping around a

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little bit

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but we're talking about size if we were

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to compare

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the size of the face on mars and compare

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it to the pyramids in egypt

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oh like

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hundreds like a hundred times bigger i

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mean the pyramids in egypt

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are about the top the biggest one the

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great pyramids about 800 800 feet tall

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if you put that next to the face on mars

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it would be a little bitty speck in many

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of these images it's really not

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of significant size at all by comparison

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so it sounds like this face regardless

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of where you are

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is something that you would be able to

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see from space yeah it was designed to

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be seen from orbit as i think was the

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entire complex

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of objects around it remember the face

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is um is in an area called sedonia on

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mars which has

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not only the face but it has an area

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called the city which is a bunch of

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other isolated pyramidal looking

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structures and there's the dnm pyramid

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that we talked about earlier the

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five-sided pyramid which has two

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different axes of symmetry all that

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stuff is around the face and to me

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that's always encouraged uh or you know

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supported the idea that it was an

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artificial structure if it was just

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sitting there by itself

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there really wouldn't be um

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a whole lot to support the idea that it

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was artificial but the fact that it's

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surrounded by all kinds of other

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apparently artificial looking structures

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and according to the thermal infrared

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data that we that we we got from nasa at

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one point there appears to be an entire

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city underneath

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the sedonia plain uh all of that sort of

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reinforces in a consistent way

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the fact that the face is artificial

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what i find interesting is that we have

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you know kind of a parallel

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with the lines of nazca where it's it

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appears that they were designed to be

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seen from

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the air or space or it is a feature that

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can be seen from orbit just like

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the face on mars

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yeah although you know it's a little

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different than nazca in the sense that

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nazca has these these

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drawn out figures these figures that

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have clearly been drawn in the sand and

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you know there are people that i talked

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about in in ancient aliens on mars too

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there are people that do believe there's

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stuff like that on on mars that there is

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a drawing of nefertiti for instance that

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there's drawings of various birds and

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parrots and things like that and you

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know i kind of make the argument that

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i'd be more impressed by that if they

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were all together the way they are on

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nazca but the fact is is that they're

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all spread out

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um on a wide area you know they're all

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over the place on mars in different

554
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:14,000
pictures and i think that people are

555
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,960
kind of

556
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,799
lightening and darkening certain areas

557
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,240
to make it look more like what they

558
00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:20,480
wanted to look like than than what it

559
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,160
really is a lot of cases i think that

560
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:23,760
they're not really

561
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,000
pictograms the way the um the nazca

562
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,000
lines are so to me it's a little

563
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,159
different now that doesn't mean though

564
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,400
that it's really um

565
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:34,480
it's not valuable to actually look for

566
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,679
stuff like that or consider that

567
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,120
possibility because one of the things

568
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,720
that i do cover in ancient aliens on

569
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,480
mars two

570
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,720
is the fact that

571
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:44,480
these guys that that are looking at this

572
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,200
stuff and are writing about it um you

573
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,200
know they look at dolphins and seahorses

574
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,440
and nefertiti and all this stuff when

575
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,080
you actually looked at uh study an area

576
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,559
that they they're calling uh

577
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:58,720
the parrot or what they think is a

578
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,840
parrot

579
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,840
just north of that

580
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,760
is a is a city complex that was

581
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,159
discovered by

582
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,760
by some other researchers whose name

583
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:09,919
escapes me and i apologize

584
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,720
but as i began to study the so-called

585
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,360
parrot image and looked at this city

586
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,440
area what i found was i think probably

587
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:20,480
the most extraordinarily obviously

588
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:23,919
artificial city-like landscape um

589
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,720
that i've ever found on mars that is i

590
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,039
think i can make the strongest argument

591
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,360
out of any of them that it's absolutely

592
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,520
artificial and it you know it's just

593
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,120
phenomenal what you see when you dig

594
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,120
into that so it kind of led me

595
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,400
into studying this this parrot city area

596
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,960
and um and and really led to an amazing

597
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,159
part of the book where i really go

598
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:46,000
through a lot of the discovery process

599
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,039
of this

600
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,679
this area these sets of structures

601
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,000
make comparisons to

602
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,080
redondo hermosa beaches in los angeles

603
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,000
and things like that and really came

604
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:58,240
away from it just absolutely with my jaw

605
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,520
dropping

606
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,840
at what i found so you know there is

607
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,200
value in looking at that although i

608
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,520
don't necessarily agree with um

609
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,960
with their interpretations of some of

610
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,679
the objects that they point out

611
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,559
well and i think with many things we

612
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,960
look at and instead of just describing

613
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,200
what we see we try to interpret it and

614
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,440
make it fit in our framework

615
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,720
but it's the same as our ancestors they

616
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:23,840
saw

617
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,600
the lights in the sky and the chariots

618
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,080
of the gods and try to describe them

619
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,640
best they could based on the information

620
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:34,320
and technology they had of the day as

621
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,679
well right right

622
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:39,760
you know so what we call a pc board

623
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,960
that's laying on the martian landscape

624
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,039
you know might have been i don't know

625
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,720
what an ancient would have called it a

626
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,960
piece of wood

627
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:50,159
yeah they wouldn't you know well you

628
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,360
know it's interesting because one of the

629
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,200
things in the new book in ancient aliens

630
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,559
and secret societies that i've been

631
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,760
doing is i've been going back and

632
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,640
reading

633
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,960
a lot of zechariah sitchin's books and

634
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,960
um going through his research and you

635
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,159
know they call

636
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:04,559
they have sky chariots and they have

637
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,840
celestial chariots and they have

638
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,440
what do they call them

639
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,000
sky vehicles and you know basically all

640
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,760
these different things that when you

641
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,840
read them they clearly are descriptions

642
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:17,600
of rocket ships

643
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,039
aircraft helicopters

644
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,880
even tanks you know there's just

645
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,480
descriptions of different objects that

646
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,559
you clearly can say well that's that's

647
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,720
an ancient you know sumerian who had a

648
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,159
fairly primitive way of looking at

649
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,159
things trying to describe

650
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,600
something he doesn't really understand

651
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,360
or trying to describe a technology that

652
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:37,360
he doesn't really understand so yeah i

653
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,149
um

654
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,080
do you think that there's people still

655
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,390
well you know it's interesting i'm

656
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,799
looking at some of the images on my on

657
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,640
my web album i'm looking at this area

658
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,880
that i call the industrial complex in in

659
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,400
parrot city and it looks like a

660
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,000
processing plant of some kind for

661
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,760
processing ore or something and you know

662
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:01,760
i mean i've got there's roads and

663
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,520
bridges and houses and and bunkers and

664
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,760
uh what looks like a factory with

665
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,440
tubes and different instruments and

666
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,240
things on it and and you know vents and

667
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,840
and i'm looking at this and it's in a

668
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,720
state of disrepair but it's not

669
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,640
horrifically so in other words it's not

670
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,240
really really old stuff it's not

671
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,039
desperately old it might be only a few

672
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,799
thousand or a few hundred thousand years

673
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,039
old and it's quite extraordinary to me

674
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,559
when i look at this

675
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,039
that it does look abandoned but it

676
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,400
doesn't look like it's been abandoned

677
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,159
for very long so

678
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,840
it's hard for me to argue that there's

679
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:36,880
nothing

680
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,840
you know in operation there anymore now

681
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,520
when you look at the thermal infrared

682
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,120
images of the sedonia region right

683
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,880
around the face and the dna pyramid and

684
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,559
the stuff that we found that

685
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,960
has to be under the ground

686
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,840
there

687
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,240
um if you if if they're telling the

688
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:53,919
truth about the capabilities of the

689
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,080
thermal infrared camera

690
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:58,000
on the mars odyssey spacecraft that took

691
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,679
those images then the only way we could

692
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,720
be seeing

693
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,760
that much reflectance and that much heat

694
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,600
feedback to the camera

695
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,919
is if you know the lights are still on

696
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,440
down there now that doesn't mean there's

697
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:11,919
anybody there but whoever

698
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:15,039
was there apparently left and uh didn't

699
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,400
turn off the lights because it looks

700
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:18,400
like there's still stuff going on there

701
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,679
and can you backtrack and explain what a

702
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,919
thermal imaging camera would take a

703
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,760
picture of you know like what

704
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,679
what would what is it collecting what

705
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,679
kind of data is it collecting to put

706
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,919
into a visual image basically heat

707
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,440
signatures is what it's picking up it's

708
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,279
picking up heat signatures and and you

709
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,880
know on a place like mars which is

710
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,799
extremely um

711
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,559
cold at night

712
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,400
what you get is different materials

713
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,240
retain heat differently metals retain

714
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,919
heat differently than stone does stone

715
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,520
does a better job of retaining heat so

716
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,840
you can make some deductions on what

717
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,760
stuff is made of by the amount of heat

718
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,919
you would expect them to have been to

719
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,279
have retained

720
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,720
from the daytime i mean most people

721
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,720
don't know that the temperature on mars

722
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,200
in the day can get up to about 65

723
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,360
degrees fahrenheit and if you were to

724
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,279
to lay on your back

725
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,520
with a little oxygen mask

726
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,679
you know on mars there that you could

727
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,520
very comfortably

728
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:13,520
do that crawl around you could sit there

729
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,400
you could

730
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,440
do various things you wouldn't

731
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,760
necessarily want to stand up because

732
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,600
about five five or six feet above the

733
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,200
surface of mars it gets a whole lot

734
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,279
colder but within that very narrow

735
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,120
biosphere it's pretty warm so there is

736
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,039
heat there that can be retained by this

737
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,120
stuff and and a thermal infrared imager

738
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,919
like the mars odyssey themis instrument

739
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,159
can do that and this is why back in the

740
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,000
early 2000s you know this was a really

741
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,679
big deal for us we really wanted to get

742
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,279
our hands on a nighttime thermal

743
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,080
infrared image of of cydonia which we

744
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,600
never really did i mean all they ever

745
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:45,760
really released was a really terrible

746
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,799
jpeg very poor quality image

747
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,200
that they claimed was nighttime and and

748
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,200
which may or may not have been an actual

749
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,200
nighttime image but we did get

750
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,640
a daytime thermal infrared image and

751
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,400
our series of images a series of image

752
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,159
strips there were multiple problems with

753
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,080
that first of which was that

754
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,679
nasa played a little bit of a game with

755
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,440
us and that they gave us the images and

756
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,440
they they convinced a guy named keith

757
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,440
laney who was doing the thermal infrared

758
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,520
imaging processing for us

759
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,360
to go download their data set and then

760
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,679
as soon as he did they switched it with

761
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,080
another data set which was had a bunch

762
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,880
of no noise induced into it

763
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,360
the whole sole purpose of which was that

764
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,000
if we did work on this image and found

765
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,679
stuff there which of course we did we

766
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,919
found the city under the under the ice

767
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,840
under the ground in

768
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,600
then anybody who tried to repeat our

769
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,600
work with the same data set from the

770
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,760
same web page would download a different

771
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,240
image which had all that stuff basically

772
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,760
erased and they wouldn't be able to

773
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,760
repeat it and we would look like

774
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,480
liars or fools so fortunately we caught

775
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,000
them at this little bit of skullduggery

776
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,919
before we ever released any images but

777
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,000
it was a it was one of those really

778
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,159
interesting uh episodes that convinces

779
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,840
me that you know

780
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,279
me and the other independent researchers

781
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,880
are on the right track as far as mars is

782
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,640
concerned now to actually answer your

783
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,760
question

784
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,200
it takes pictures of heat and heat

785
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,720
retention and

786
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,960
you know and you can tell a little bit

787
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,360
about composition from that

788
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,360
and you can tell a lot about what's

789
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,440
underneath the

790
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,559
surface but you shouldn't be able to see

791
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,320
very deeply down into the surface um and

792
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,799
it in these images it seems like you can

793
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,679
so

794
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,120
what i'm

795
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,200
wondering is if the camera isn't a whole

796
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,720
lot better

797
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,559
than than they've ever let us they've

798
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:35,039
ever let us really see um in the public

799
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,320
images that have been released and if

800
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,159
nasa doesn't know a whole lot more about

801
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,159
what's under the ground on mars

802
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:42,880
than they've ever told us and if they do

803
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,520
then i would say that you know that's

804
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:46,960
logically what we're seeing when we look

805
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,029
based on solar radiation could the

806
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,559
ground or if there was i'm just playing

807
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:58,799
devil's advocate here a second or any

808
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,080
kind of metallic metal or

809
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,840
i don't know some kind of rock that

810
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,080
could get hot um

811
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,240
when it transitions into the evening

812
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,399
could you get readings off of it that

813
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,559
would show up on a thermal image yeah

814
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,320
you could and that's that's kind of why

815
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,480
we wanted a nighttime thermal infrared

816
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:18,240
image of sidonia because that would give

817
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,960
us

818
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,840
you know

819
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,679
we thought a really crystal clear

820
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:24,240
picture because of the contrast from the

821
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,120
heat

822
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,200
versus the um

823
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:29,360
versus the extreme cold of night so you

824
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,240
would see

825
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,840
much more clearly what was underneath

826
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,600
the surface and unfortunately we never

827
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,520
really got a good image of that and we

828
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,080
suspect and when i say we i mean

829
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,760
myself and richard c hoagland and some

830
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,600
other people that were involved um what

831
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,679
i think that we see

832
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,000
in those images is it's just just the

833
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,600
tip of the iceberg in terms of what's

834
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,000
there i mean i'm sure that there's

835
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,120
infinitely superior images um

836
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:54,640
that nasa has stuck in the archives that

837
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,029
well isn't that kind of what happens all

838
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:03,200
the time

839
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,799
i mean i recall when you we talked about

840
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:08,960
ancient aliens on the moon that that was

841
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:11,679
a big issue that when people went and

842
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,720
pulled up the photos of the moon that

843
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,640
there were parts that were

844
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,679
smudged at like photoshopped and smudged

845
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,000
out and they did all kinds of weird

846
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:23,600
stuff so that you couldn't really get a

847
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,799
clear image

848
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,200
yeah they do that and what i think it is

849
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:28,799
is that they're never going to give you

850
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,000
the full smoking gun um

851
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,159
they they give you enough i think to

852
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,679
support your case and move it forward

853
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:37,520
but they never they never give you

854
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,279
enough to to really let you have the

855
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,919
smoking gun um and that's just this is

856
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,520
part part and parcel to the way nassau

857
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,520
has always operated and

858
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,880
you know i don't know what the reasons

859
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,000
are

860
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,679
for that beyond the obvious i think

861
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,120
religious stuff

862
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,640
that we talked about in dark mission and

863
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,000
that i'm going to be talking about in in

864
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,240
the secret societies book but it's

865
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,919
it's something that's been kind of a

866
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,000
pattern that's ongoing but stuff seems

867
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,919
to slip through the cracks

868
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,240
and also i think that in the terms of

869
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,080
the religious aspect of this i think

870
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,480
that they do have to give us the

871
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,159
information but it's kind of like a

872
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:12,320
secret society in a sense that you have

873
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,520
to know

874
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,360
the right question to ask if you don't

875
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,279
ask the right question

876
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,960
they're not going to give you the answer

877
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,200
so you know i i it's weird because i

878
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,799
think that that they must be doing it in

879
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,559
such a way that they're

880
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:26,320
they're saying um

881
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,760
you know

882
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,200
they're like setting it up so that when

883
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,799
they have to answer to somebody and i

884
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,240
have no idea who that is although it

885
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,919
could be the anunnaki when they come

886
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,799
back

887
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,399
it's like well we gave them all the

888
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,480
information they just ignored it that's

889
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,440
that's what i feel like nasa is doing is

890
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,720
pretending you know putting the

891
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,799
information out there but only if you're

892
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:46,640
really paying attention do you get it

893
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:50,080
and only if you can figure it out do you

894
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,200
do you really understand what they're

895
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:52,960
trying to say and what they're trying to

896
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,630
okay if you can see through all that

897
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,559
i guess i mean that's the way secret

898
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,880
societies operate and unfortunately nasa

899
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,880
is nothing if not a secret society it's

900
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,399
one of the most secretive organizations

901
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:08,000
in the government which is saying

902
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:14,710
in a good way or in a bad way well in a

903
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,750
i mean i just can't really see nasa

904
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,320
being the most secretive organization

905
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,320
i'm sorry well i'm sorry but they have

906
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,919
to be because they're the ones that are

907
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,760
that are taking pictures of things that

908
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,320
would shatter the world's vision of

909
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,960
itself and so they very much have to be

910
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,120
very secretive and they are they are a

911
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,720
compartmentalized defense department

912
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,399
adjunct they're not an independent

913
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,640
science agency you know people have that

914
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,240
that kind of

915
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,320
mistaken belief as well nasa is a

916
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,480
defense department agency so if you know

917
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,200
military security and military secrecy

918
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,679
isn't the highest

919
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,760
um

920
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,360
level of secrecy that we have in our

921
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:58,640
government i don't know what is and

922
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,269
good point

923
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:05,760
i guess something that makes me wonder

924
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:06,799
is

925
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,000
why why go to mars why send the rovers

926
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:13,919
it to me okay it seems like we stopped

927
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,279
we lost our interest in the moon and you

928
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:19,279
know one of the prevailing theories is

929
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,640
because they found stuff on the moon and

930
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,480
they just didn't want to go there

931
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,679
anymore because they didn't want to have

932
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,120
to deal with it or they were warned not

933
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,960
to go there i don't know this whole big

934
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:31,919
reason but why mars why is there this

935
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:34,960
interest in mars

936
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,519
well i think it's

937
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,640
multi-leveled one of the levels of it is

938
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,120
that you know mars is named for marduk

939
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,600
who was an ancient anunnaki

940
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,679
god with a small g who

941
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,159
apparently ruled over um you know

942
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:53,519
babylon and also went to um went to

943
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,960
ancient egypt and a long time ago

944
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,760
so

945
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,320
it's you know it's an area of symbolic

946
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,200
interest and also the fact that um can

947
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,080
you hear that do i have to go yeah for

948
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,320
everyone that's listening that's barkley

949
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,040
he just yeah he started up like right

950
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,040
when i started talking and i really want

951
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,639
to scream and tell him to shut the hell

952
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,800
up he's a little bit wired he's a little

953
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,200
overly wired he's about two feet long

954
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,119
but he thinks he's a much bigger dog

955
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,639
hang on a second okay

956
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,879
can i can you just entertain the crowd

957
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,399
for a while i'll entertain him you know

958
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:28,800
i think that maybe barkley needs to hang

959
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,760
out with mike super cobb or bitsy yeah

960
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,079
maybe barkley needs a tin foil hat wait

961
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,320
a minute i think he's calming down

962
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,800
i'd love to strangle him right now but

963
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,040
see i i usually just pick bitsy up and

964
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,960
put her in my lap or she used to sit on

965
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,480
my desk that's not gonna happen with

966
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,119
barclay he's just gonna keep doing that

967
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,560
so anyway um the other aspect of it is

968
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,879
that you know according to the anunnaki

969
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:54,720
writings the sumerian tablets that

970
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,760
sitchin has has translated mars was a

971
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,440
way station so mars was a place where

972
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,720
the anunnaki came and set up a base and

973
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,040
lived and flourished and you know very

974
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,880
interestingly in the secret societies

975
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,160
book what's really interesting is that

976
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,640
mars at that time according to the um

977
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,520
anunnaki was a habitable world it was

978
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:15,119
a little less hospitable than the earth

979
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,680
but it had running water it had you know

980
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,480
um

981
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,160
it had everything that they needed to

982
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,680
actually set up a base there had

983
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,599
breathable oxygen but it wasn't and this

984
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,480
was only 400 000 years ago it wasn't

985
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,079
until

986
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,400
um some bad stuff happened

987
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,320
but where nibiru made a pass very close

988
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,240
to the asteroid belt and and sent a

989
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,920
bunch of rocks

990
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,920
you know in towards the earth and and

991
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,160
created the the basically the great

992
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,040
deluge and devastated mars that it

993
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,800
really became an inhospitable place so i

994
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,800
think what you're looking at is

995
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,359
leftover anunnaki technology and the

996
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:50,960
premise that i've always been operating

997
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,320
from is that um

998
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,720
you know that the the sumerian gods the

999
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,119
anunnaki were

1000
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,000
here that they did live and that they

1001
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:04,000
did create a lot of the stuff that we

1002
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,880
see

1003
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,320
on the surface of mars in fact one of

1004
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,240
the stories that that came through in

1005
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,560
one of the translations was that they

1006
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,680
buried one of the anunnaki kings alalu

1007
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:14,640
who had

1008
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,079
rebelled against anu who was the king of

1009
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:20,320
you know the king of nibiru and

1010
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,000
and the the the god king of the anunnaki

1011
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,800
um and that he ended up after

1012
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,480
basically two or three rebellions he

1013
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,839
ended up being

1014
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,640
vanquished or sent banished to mars

1015
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,640
where he died and that in fact the face

1016
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,200
on mars was a tribute to him as an

1017
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,960
anunnaki king who had passed away there

1018
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,400
that it's a tomb

1019
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,160
and that his body's actually inside that

1020
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,079
structure so you know i think the

1021
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,760
fascination with mars is because of the

1022
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,240
fact that there is a lot of stuff there

1023
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,040
and it's probably fairly well preserved

1024
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,359
and we're sending different probes to go

1025
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:55,200
find it so

1026
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,640
you know that's to me that's the main

1027
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:58,400
reason why mars is such a fascinating

1028
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,280
place

1029
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,960
because it it's also like a giant

1030
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,960
refrigerator it's so cold and everything

1031
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,400
that everything's pretty well preserved

1032
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,200
so it makes it an ideal target

1033
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,520
if your purpose of existence if the real

1034
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,599
reason of your existence if you're nasa

1035
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,599
is to actually retrieve

1036
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,720
you know the artifacts and the

1037
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,520
technology of the gods then um i think

1038
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,599
that mars would be an ideal place to do

1039
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:20,800
that

1040
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,680
they are looking to find technology to

1041
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,079
get it and then back engineer it

1042
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,079
yeah that's one possibility although i

1043
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:32,000
suspect that they didn't have much luck

1044
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,440
with what they they brought back from

1045
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,880
the moon so that could have been a big

1046
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,480
problem and

1047
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,640
you know um

1048
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,960
can we take a break at any point in the

1049
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,920
show

1050
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,160
rita because

1051
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,720
hey joe can we uh we can we go to a

1052
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,720
quick break

1053
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,000
like a dog break here and i'll go deal

1054
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,079
with my problem all right

1055
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,320
all right i'm dr reed louise we're here

1056
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,359
talking to mike barr about his book

1057
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,359
ancient aliens on mars 2. we're going to

1058
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:03,760
take a little puppy break and we'll be

1059
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,750
just energy radio with your host dr reed

1060
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:27,520
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1061
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:43,430
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1078
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1079
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1080
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1081
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1082
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1083
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1084
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fanciful imaginations

1085
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1086
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1087
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did the writers chroniclers and scribes

1088
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,800
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1089
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1090
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1095
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1097
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1099
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hello and louise back to just energy

1162
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,680
radio i'm your host dr reed louise and

1163
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,119
thank you all for staying tuned to the

1164
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,960
second part of the show

1165
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,680
anyway we're here here talking to mike

1166
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,839
barr about his book ancient aliens on

1167
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:39,920
mars 2 his webpage is

1168
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,950
mike before we took our barky break

1169
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,079
um

1170
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,800
barkley no i did not strangle barkley i

1171
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,880
just fed him and put him in another room

1172
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,079
where hopefully he'll be a bit quieter

1173
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:58,800
in the little comfy bed spot

1174
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,599
yeah

1175
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:01,520
yes yes

1176
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,430
why they're actually going to mars and

1177
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,319
doing all of this research there because

1178
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,560
it seems like there's just so much more

1179
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,040
interest on mars than there was on the

1180
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,440
moon i don't recall them sending so many

1181
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:20,640
rovers to the moon either well no they

1182
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,920
they didn't but we didn't really have

1183
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,760
the technology back in the 60s i mean we

1184
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:25,520
did send 12 men to the moon which is a

1185
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,720
whole different

1186
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,480
thing and and really i guess the rovers

1187
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,240
back then would be the you know the car

1188
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:32,960
the um the lunar rover which was called

1189
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,920
a rover that we sent there that um uh

1190
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,000
allowed them not the lunar yeah that

1191
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,839
allowed them to basically drive on the

1192
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,920
surface so we examined the moon in

1193
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,400
fairly you know significant detail and

1194
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,520
we did it

1195
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:47,839
um because we were you know

1196
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,079
looking for specific things to bring

1197
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,359
back i think proof of the ancient alien

1198
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,520
presence on the on the lunar surface and

1199
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:56,960
i wouldn't say that we got done with it

1200
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,839
i just think that that um

1201
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,680
most of what we found there was probably

1202
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,119
in in

1203
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,079
real ruins a really significant um

1204
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,839
amount of decay because of the fact that

1205
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,319
it's so exposed there to

1206
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,800
you know meteors and things in spite of

1207
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,960
the meteor shield that

1208
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,480
may or may not still be protecting the

1209
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,319
planet to some extent you know it was

1210
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,839
just it was everything there was really

1211
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,560
beat up and i suspect that that you know

1212
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,319
mars has been more of the focus because

1213
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,680
there's probably a better chance of

1214
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,960
finding stuff that's really well

1215
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:28,560
preserved there

1216
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,440
ah

1217
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,720
good point

1218
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,280
if you were to guess

1219
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,760
would you say that the ages of what

1220
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:38,960
they're finding on the moon and on mars

1221
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,520
are in relative close age proximity or

1222
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,040
do you think that there's a time

1223
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,880
difference between the two

1224
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,720
well i don't have a clue but i will say

1225
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,560
that the stuff on the moon seems

1226
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,359
honestly a lot older than the stuff on

1227
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,599
mars and i think that

1228
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,160
that you know again the the anunnaki

1229
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,720
tablets the sumerian tablets do say

1230
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,119
essentially that they at the annunaki

1231
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,640
didn't didn't find the moon very

1232
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,560
hospitable and they didn't spend much

1233
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,960
time there and what that means then is

1234
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:09,760
that

1235
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,000
is from some prior habitation of the

1236
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,800
moon and and who even knows who those

1237
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,480
people were that that constructed all

1238
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,400
that stuff that's on the moon so

1239
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,319
i suspect that there's a there is a big

1240
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,760
age difference but i can't you know i

1241
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,480
couldn't prove it to save my life

1242
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,280
okay but that's a good observation

1243
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:30,800
um

1244
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,839
okay so i we have a question in the from

1245
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,599
the chat room and this is from neutron

1246
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,599
and he wants to know have you had a

1247
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,079
chance to examine a very recent picture

1248
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,200
of mars caught by astronomers that

1249
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,680
display a tall and it says mile high

1250
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,160
chimney tower plume

1251
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,079
on the planet yeah i've seen a picture

1252
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,760
of this plume uh that was actually

1253
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,440
discovered by amateur astronomers and

1254
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,040
taking and they took pictures of the

1255
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,960
that were taking pictures of mars

1256
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,440
and um i have seen that and you know i

1257
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,200
mean it looks to me

1258
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,440
there's only really two things that it

1259
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,960
could be because the atmosphere is

1260
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,800
definitely

1261
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,800
pumped up there it's bulging out and

1262
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,400
either you've got some kind of volcanic

1263
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,319
activity which seems unlikely because

1264
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,000
the planet is considered essentially

1265
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,319
volcanically dead although that may be

1266
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,440
wrong

1267
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:19,920
um or an asteroid or comet struck the

1268
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,720
planet and and shut up a big huge plume

1269
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,680
of um of dust so

1270
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:27,280
either way it's extremely interesting

1271
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,560
the third and the most remote

1272
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,640
possibility is that you know somebody

1273
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,839
turned on the atmospheric

1274
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,160
repressurization machine and

1275
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,160
they're starting to pump out

1276
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,000
oxygen into the atmosphere or something

1277
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,000
but you know that's that's i i hate to

1278
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,680
say that's that's a possibility but i

1279
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,119
think the most likely possibilities are

1280
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,520
either that we had a a volcano built

1281
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,440
something out which would be

1282
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,319
you know unusual or we actually had

1283
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,800
something strike the planet itself which

1284
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,319
may not be bad news for the rest of us

1285
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,520
because it may mean that we're moving

1286
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:56,800
into an area of space where there's a

1287
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,270
um the people that lived on mars do you

1288
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,280
think they lived on the surface or do

1289
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,200
you think they were primarily living

1290
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,640
underground

1291
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,079
well i think it's both because there's

1292
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,400
stuff left over where clearly they were

1293
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,760
living on the surface and it was

1294
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,440
inhabited there was definitely people

1295
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,040
there the face on mars all these things

1296
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,760
are above ground and and again the the

1297
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,680
sumerian tablets the stories tell us

1298
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,599
that mars was hospitable when they first

1299
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,280
got there that there was

1300
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,920
atmospheric pressure running water um

1301
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,839
and so they would logically have lived

1302
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,280
above the ground but there's other

1303
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,359
sources and other stories that say

1304
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,640
things like you know that they had to

1305
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,040
move underground after there was a

1306
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,480
a war in the skies so it's kind of to me

1307
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,119
a question um that has

1308
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,520
two answers which is that yes and yes

1309
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,960
they they lived above ground and they

1310
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:48,160
lived underground it's just a question

1311
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:48,880
of

1312
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,119
would assume i would assume that the the

1313
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:55,200
later stuff is is the underground stuff

1314
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,160
because they probably had to move

1315
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,520
underground when conditions

1316
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,119
environmental conditions

1317
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,240
really begin to um

1318
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,720
really begin to deteriorate

1319
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,920
do you think they're still there

1320
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,319
underground at least somebody's still

1321
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,680
there underground well i don't know i

1322
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,040
don't have any evidence of that but like

1323
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,640
i said the light the lights are on so it

1324
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:14,079
seems like somebody could be there if

1325
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:15,040
they

1326
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,599
sent the probes up there and sent

1327
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,920
different things and when the second one

1328
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,920
blew out of the sky

1329
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,079
it just made me go

1330
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,240
huh well maybe they just don't want us

1331
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,400
landing on the moon that was my

1332
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,480
knee-jerk reaction to it

1333
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,000
and um

1334
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,599
i don't know i'm kind of sticking with

1335
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,559
it

1336
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,640
on the moon not on the moon on mars

1337
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,319
excuse me on mars well there's been a

1338
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,319
number of probes that have been lost um

1339
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,920
on mars there's there's one called

1340
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,839
beagle two that the the british lost the

1341
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,720
europeans lost um about about 10 years

1342
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,960
ago which they recently found and this

1343
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,240
is sitting there and appears to be in

1344
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,240
full operating condition but it's just

1345
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,599
sitting there and it never transmitted

1346
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,680
anything back and it looks like maybe

1347
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,839
the the panels the pow the solar panels

1348
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,520
didn't deploy properly which you know

1349
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,880
again is a good reason not to send

1350
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,800
something to solar energy

1351
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,720
as a as a source of power up

1352
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,559
up to mars let's give those things

1353
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,000
little nuclear reactors and they'll

1354
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:14,160
operate for 20 years you know

1355
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,040
um

1356
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,559
so

1357
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,319
you know there there are things that can

1358
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,160
happen i think i think of all the

1359
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,599
different probes that have been lost the

1360
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,319
most mysterious one is the mars observer

1361
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,000
probe and i talk about that in ancient

1362
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,480
aliens on mars one

1363
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,640
and uh it was a really strange case

1364
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,640
because it was a camera that was good

1365
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,280
enough to have taken pictures of cydonia

1366
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,040
and the face on mars

1367
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,880
and kind of ended the debate about

1368
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,880
whether it was artificial or not

1369
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,040
and um

1370
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,800
right after

1371
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,200
the head of the mars observer project

1372
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,920
bevin french lost a debate on good

1373
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,920
morning america to my co-author and dark

1374
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,839
mission richard c hoagland i mean

1375
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:56,240
lost it epically got totally picked

1376
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,280
apart

1377
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,280
by hoagland um

1378
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,800
three minutes after that they announced

1379
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,119
that they had lost mars observer

1380
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,880
and in fact they had actually lost

1381
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:07,760
contact with it 14 hours before now

1382
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,160
i don't know why nasa would put a guy on

1383
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,559
national tv to debate

1384
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,040
the sidonia and the face of sidoni in

1385
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,960
the face on mars

1386
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,040
and the and talk about the mars observer

1387
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,040
probe

1388
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,720
when they already knew that it was

1389
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,280
missing and not mention it and the only

1390
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,119
thing that i can make an obvious

1391
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,800
conclusion about is that they wanted to

1392
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,240
see if he could beat hoagland in the

1393
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,800
debate he got absolutely plastered

1394
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:34,960
by the hoagie and

1395
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,520
they then decided to take it dark and

1396
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,200
you know it it would give them an

1397
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,040
opportunity to have taken really good

1398
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,880
pictures of cedonia and the face and

1399
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:44,319
other areas of mars that they were

1400
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,599
suspicious

1401
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,520
might be artificial and do that all in

1402
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:49,920
secret for years and then go back in

1403
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,359
1998 and you know put up essentially the

1404
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:54,960
mars global surveyor which was the

1405
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,440
replacement using the same equipment

1406
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,760
um and know exactly how to take pictures

1407
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,280
of the thing to make it look as bad as

1408
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,960
possible which is what they ultimately

1409
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,359
did so

1410
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,720
you know um

1411
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,480
to me that's that's

1412
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,760
this is the kind of thing i've been

1413
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:11,040
dealing with for better the better part

1414
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,829
lies it's all lies

1415
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,839
yeah at least some of it is

1416
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:24,240
what i find interesting see i never knew

1417
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,079
that other uh countries were sending

1418
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,200
probes to mars as well

1419
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,800
so this is the first i've heard that

1420
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,640
there was a british oh yeah who else is

1421
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,480
sending probes up there european space

1422
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,079
agency has sent some really good probes

1423
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,240
they sent them the mars express to the

1424
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,920
planet mars and they took

1425
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:42,720
the

1426
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,720
two images and do 3d projections create

1427
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:56,720
3d models in the computer of that stuff

1428
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,839
so we got 3d and color out of mars

1429
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,040
express even though the spatial

1430
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,200
resolution was technically only about 14

1431
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,520
meters per pixel compared to

1432
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,119
what is it mars reconnaissance orbiter

1433
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,960
can get below 2 meters per pixel or

1434
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,119
something in ideal conditions they're

1435
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,480
great pictures and the thing that they

1436
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,000
did that was different is nasa kept

1437
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,000
taking pictures of a face and saying it

1438
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:18,000
was completely natural but every time

1439
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,200
they did it

1440
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:22,160
they would take it from a really odd

1441
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,920
angle from below from behind from offset

1442
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,200
so that the face appeared to be

1443
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,599
distorted so that the eye sockets look

1444
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,119
like they didn't line up when in fact

1445
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,960
they did so it looked really fat and

1446
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,960
wide and not very symmetrical when in

1447
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,200
fact it really was but the europeans

1448
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,280
gave i think the most honest data

1449
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,200
because they tried to get exactly

1450
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,880
centered over the face when they took

1451
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,559
their pictures just as the viking images

1452
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,200
had been taken back in in 1976 and the

1453
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,040
result was that their their in my

1454
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,599
opinion probably the best data set

1455
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,839
that we have

1456
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,520
of the face on mars and what i started

1457
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,359
doing more recently on on you know

1458
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,079
ancient aliens on mars 2 in that book

1459
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,720
i started taking different images from

1460
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,119
different probes that all have different

1461
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,160
cameras so they all view the information

1462
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:10,160
the ground truth differently and i

1463
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,839
started layering them on top of each

1464
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,599
other and the more that you combine

1465
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,160
these images together the more obvious

1466
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,240
it becomes that this is an artificial

1467
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,079
structure that looks

1468
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,200
pretty much

1469
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,880
like a human face except there is some

1470
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,559
damage to it but pretty much you can

1471
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,559
tell you can look at it and say okay

1472
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,480
a couple hundred thousand years ago this

1473
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:30,400
probably looked like

1474
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,760
the anunnaki king that it was apparently

1475
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,200
built for so

1476
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,160
um you know it's interesting that that

1477
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:40,640
we have to go to europe to be able to

1478
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,520
get a really good image really high

1479
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,440
quality data set of the face on mars

1480
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,119
because the nasa probes just can't seem

1481
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,630
it's jittering

1482
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,520
from these new images my impression

1483
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,359
looking at that face is that there is

1484
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,160
this big mound of dirt

1485
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,640
sitting on top of some kind of a rock

1486
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:04,480
structure whether it's

1487
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,760
you know natural or artificial

1488
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,920
have they gotten any close-ups and is

1489
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,480
what we're seeing actually the stone

1490
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,480
surface or is there

1491
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,800
dirt or some kind of debris that sits

1492
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,400
over this

1493
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,359
internal skeleton should i say well yeah

1494
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,040
there's dirt and debris there but we we

1495
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,200
have got um very good pictures of this

1496
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,720
stuff the mars reconnaissance orbiter

1497
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,960
has a great camera it's taking very good

1498
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,960
black and white or gray scale images of

1499
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:31,760
the

1500
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,000
underneath it what we see like i said is

1501
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,680
these squared

1502
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,240
room size kind of cells all over there's

1503
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,960
one area where you've got a wall it's

1504
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:47,440
very bright colored wall that runs you

1505
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,720
know straight line 90 degrees

1506
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,960
straight line 90 degrees so you got you

1507
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,359
got you know like l shapes just until

1508
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,680
the cows come home which is clearly some

1509
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,200
sort of structural wall and that's

1510
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,119
exactly how you would build um a

1511
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,880
structural wall and in fact in

1512
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,400
in the photos that i've talked about the

1513
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,640
ones that are on my my picasa web album

1514
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,240
i've got that showing i compare it to

1515
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,000
ancient roman ruins

1516
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,680
in britain where you've got exactly the

1517
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,920
same kind of construction so

1518
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,839
the reality is that yeah as you get

1519
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,839
these pictures and look deeper at them

1520
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,359
what you see is that there's

1521
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,799
a lot of dust there's a lot of debris

1522
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,040
but there's also a lot of

1523
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,119
of a structure and underlying support

1524
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,119
that that's getting exposed by the

1525
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,200
weather or whatever

1526
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:30,559
you know for whatever reason it's

1527
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:37,270
well they have storms there right

1528
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,640
on mars

1529
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,079
yeah they have they have wind storms and

1530
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,160
sand storms um

1531
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,680
although because the atmosphere is so

1532
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,359
thin the wind has to blow really hard

1533
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:47,440
but there is erosion there there's just

1534
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,920
less erosion than there is on earth so

1535
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,760
you know i mean there could be any

1536
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,680
number of reasons why one side is more

1537
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,920
degraded than the other but on the side

1538
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,040
the right side of the face that you

1539
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,559
would expect to be more degraded that's

1540
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,319
where we see all the structural stuff

1541
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,240
sticking up

1542
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,000
through the dust and debris and you know

1543
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,440
the only way we're ever going to really

1544
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,319
know

1545
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,480
um how it's constructed what's really

1546
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,640
underneath it is to actually go there

1547
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,280
and explore the thing but it seems to be

1548
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,119
for whatever reason

1549
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,280
um one of the areas that nasa just

1550
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,319
doesn't want to go to so i'm i'm upset

1551
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,000
by that i don't like that

1552
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,000
i would like to i think every exam in

1553
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,440
the face

1554
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,599
i think that's one of the ongoing

1555
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:29,760
comments of

1556
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:32,720
this is the one area on mars that if

1557
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,720
there was going to be signs of life

1558
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,280
this would be the area or this would be

1559
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,040
the

1560
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:43,200
most

1561
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,799
reasonable place to start yeah

1562
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,960
and and they don't i mean it seems like

1563
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,720
they intentionally avoid it like the

1564
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,920
plague

1565
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,839
yeah well they do and it's it's you know

1566
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,599
i mean there is some rough ground at

1567
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,920
sedona it wouldn't be the easiest

1568
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,160
landing to make but um i would

1569
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,960
definitely put a rover or two down there

1570
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,119
and i mean it's it's interesting from

1571
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,760
the standpoint the of just geologies

1572
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,839
because even if you even if you reject

1573
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:11,119
the notion that any of this stuff is

1574
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,319
artificial which is really dumb and i

1575
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,880
you know i'd love to debate any jpl nasa

1576
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:19,119
guy on that any day of the week

1577
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,000
um

1578
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,160
even if you reject that message though

1579
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,280
what you find is that there is if this

1580
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:26,880
is really geology it's got to be the

1581
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,839
most geologically fascinating area of

1582
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:32,400
mars because it's on the shoreline or at

1583
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,599
least on the shoreline of what they

1584
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,520
think was an ancient ocean

1585
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,400
you've got all kinds of

1586
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,880
chaotic terrain there you've got buried

1587
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,720
little pyramidal looking things you've

1588
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,640
got these really interesting formations

1589
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:46,480
these large mountains

1590
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,440
and

1591
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,359
you know i just don't know why you

1592
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,880
wouldn't look there why you it would be

1593
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,400
a great place to look for life if there

1594
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,599
used to be an ocean there then there

1595
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,680
might be microbial life under the ground

1596
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:57,119
that you could dig and search for life

1597
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,920
so

1598
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,520
it to me it makes no sense that they

1599
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,680
keep going everywhere else except sedona

1600
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,720
to land um one of these rovers and you

1601
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,640
know believe me if i was president we'd

1602
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,240
we'd be going there we'd be landing her

1603
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,880
over there and i think we'd put one on

1604
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,559
top of the place and uh and one

1605
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,640
underneath one right at the base of it

1606
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:16,160
and drive around it would be a really

1607
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:17,359
interesting

1608
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:20,640
but of course you know

1609
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,200
the explorations are not honest i mean

1610
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,359
if you look at the rover images

1611
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,559
they are

1612
00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:29,520
by by an order of magnitude worse than

1613
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,799
the ground pictures that we took back in

1614
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,559
1976 with the first two viking landers i

1615
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,920
mean if you look at their images of the

1616
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,280
surface

1617
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,119
they're way better yeah you would think

1618
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,880
looking at the pathfinder images from

1619
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,599
1997 you would think that in the ensuing

1620
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,880
20 years

1621
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,040
nasa camera technology declined in

1622
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:49,760
quality by about a factor of 90. i mean

1623
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,640
90 out of 100 it's just it's amazing how

1624
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,559
terrible the images are and conveniently

1625
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,319
all of the really interesting looking

1626
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,559
objects on the surface of mars near the

1627
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,160
pathfinder land are objects that appear

1628
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:02,240
to be mechanical in nature they always

1629
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,440
seem to be the ones that have the

1630
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,240
biggest data errors and stuff and block

1631
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,680
blockouts and

1632
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,160
and um you know wallpaper it looks like

1633
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:12,160
there's even some one structure that

1634
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,599
looks like a metal cased object they

1635
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:14,960
just basically

1636
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,440
over it

1637
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,640
so

1638
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,640
it's it's stunning to me how

1639
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,200
poor the quality cameras are on on these

1640
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,880
probes and of course the reality is

1641
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,960
budget cuts well they're not that

1642
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,040
they're no they're not that poor they're

1643
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,079
they're really they're really in good um

1644
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,119
you know you know really are good um

1645
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,119
in good condition

1646
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,880
but it's like i mean that doesn't make

1647
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,880
any sense from a logical point of view

1648
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,240
it doesn't make any sense they're

1649
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:45,280
sending these things up at taxpayers

1650
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,119
dollars to investigate and take pictures

1651
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:51,040
and i don't know do soil samples i don't

1652
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,559
know what they're testing all up there

1653
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,000
well they haven't done soil samples

1654
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,040
since 1976 but yeah not really okay well

1655
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,040
whatever

1656
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,880
okay so they're just driving around

1657
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,319
taking pictures you would think they'd

1658
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,640
send a good camera i mean really well

1659
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,400
you would and in fact on on some of the

1660
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,760
new rovers they've got about five

1661
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,839
cameras they've got nav cams they've got

1662
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:11,760
haz cams they've got

1663
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:12,640
um

1664
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,839
masked k they've just got all kinds of

1665
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:17,440
stuff they got they got cameras all over

1666
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:20,240
the things and yet they still not seem

1667
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,359
to be able to take a good picture they

1668
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,040
look they look like good pictures you

1669
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:24,720
look at them they're like wow you know

1670
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,319
that looks like a piston head i'm going

1671
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:28,079
to zoom up on that and take a good close

1672
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,520
and when you zoom up there's they're

1673
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,839
just full of jpeg artifacts it's just

1674
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:33,280
it's impossible

1675
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,799
to work with them and you know i mean

1676
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:36,720
look let's be honest the reality is is

1677
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,440
that behind the scenes at jpl

1678
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,119
on their computers they've got the real

1679
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,480
stuff they've got the really good high

1680
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,920
quality stuff

1681
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,000
that that we know exists in fact that

1682
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,960
reminds me of a funny story i was at um

1683
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:50,480
the jet propulsion laboratory or near

1684
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,720
there in pasadena with hoagland

1685
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:54,559
on a um

1686
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,440
a presentation that he did and

1687
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,520
apparently during one of the breaks

1688
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,359
a guy came up to him with mars

1689
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,440
pathfinder photographs

1690
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,680
and they were about according to richard

1691
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,440
about a hundred times better than what

1692
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,760
was actually posted on the web and he

1693
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:11,280
was looking at them going wow this is

1694
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:12,799
astonishing i mean that looks fantastic

1695
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,839
and the jpl scientist guy even said yeah

1696
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:16,960
we were wondering when you were going to

1697
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,520
spot this one you know we had a pool

1698
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:21,200
going on when you were gonna spot this

1699
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,480
one and richard was like oh my god

1700
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,680
that's fantastic and the guy said oh

1701
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,960
wait a minute

1702
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,720
i can't give these to you yet i i have

1703
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,720
to like i have to block out my employee

1704
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,480
number because every photo that was

1705
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,480
taken out of there every printed photo

1706
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,480
had a stamp on the back of it with who

1707
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,760
checked it out

1708
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:37,280
and so richard said okay and he gave him

1709
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,200
back to the guy with a with a marker

1710
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,799
assuming he was going to

1711
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,240
you know

1712
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,240
blot it out blotta and the guy was gone

1713
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:46,000
the guy left but richard swears up and

1714
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,799
down

1715
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,240
that he saw it and he saw the pictures

1716
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:49,920
and he knows that the cameras on

1717
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:51,920
pathfinder were

1718
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,799
again an order of magnitude better than

1719
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,400
the stuff that they posted on the web so

1720
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,920
the question is you know what deep down

1721
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,760
in the in the files

1722
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,440
how many amazing things are there for us

1723
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:02,880
to see from these

1724
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,160
these rovers i suspect quite a bit

1725
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,319
and if there wasn't anything there then

1726
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:10,400
why would they care and why wouldn't

1727
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,880
they make that material available

1728
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,839
well

1729
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:15,119
they don't want you to really see what's

1730
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,720
there that again they'll they'll give it

1731
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,799
to you to a certain point but they're

1732
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:20,079
not going to give you the smoking gun

1733
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,200
they're not going to they're you know

1734
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,960
they're not obligated they're obligated

1735
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,400
to put the pictures of this stuff up on

1736
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,920
the web they're not obligated to put

1737
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,520
good pictures of this stuff up on the

1738
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,280
web there's nothing in the contract that

1739
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:30,960
says you have to put the highest

1740
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:33,440
resolution highest quality versions of

1741
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,920
every single bit of your data on the

1742
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,359
internet for the public there's nothing

1743
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,359
in the contract that says that so they

1744
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,960
they skirt around it that they skirt

1745
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,200
around it that way

1746
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,000
but like but but what i'm saying is that

1747
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:48,240
if there wasn't a smoking gun

1748
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,079
then there would be no need for this

1749
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:54,400
playing around with the images other

1750
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,280
than

1751
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,440
you know bandwidth you put this huge

1752
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,880
file out there

1753
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,280
as an image i mean to download one thing

1754
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,119
but just as an image on your page for

1755
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:06,240
you to right click on i mean

1756
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,950
well

1757
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,880
they're the government they should have

1758
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:14,880
computers and servers that can handle

1759
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,200
that i'm sure that's not the reason that

1760
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,960
they haven't put the high resolution

1761
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:21,039
they put plenty of very high resolution

1762
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,720
stuff out there the problem is is it

1763
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:24,400
should all look better than it actually

1764
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,200
does

1765
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,400
why they're just using a polaroid no

1766
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:32,559
yeah well you know

1767
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,440
okay

1768
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,160
moving on moving on um earlier we were

1769
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,240
you were talking about these apparent

1770
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,039
cities um

1771
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:44,160
that are like in the sedona area

1772
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,160
not sedona sidonia sedona sedonia

1773
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:49,680
although it's interesting that sedona

1774
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,400
looks like mars and it's named sedona

1775
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:55,200
it's also interesting that cairo is is

1776
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:55,920
the

1777
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,280
you know arabic name for mars

1778
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:01,839
and it was founded apparently by

1779
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:05,359
an anunnaki god named marduk

1780
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,480
marduk

1781
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:07,680
who

1782
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:11,119
way the anunnaki was stationed they have

1783
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:12,640
all these really interesting things that

1784
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,599
keep connecting you know i like to go

1785
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,799
that's really interesting well that's

1786
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:18,319
really interesting you throw it all

1787
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,760
together and you actually have a pattern

1788
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:21,280
so

1789
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:23,039
anyway that was off topic

1790
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,960
okay that's okay but we'll be coming

1791
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:27,280
back to that topic when you come back on

1792
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:31,200
for two hours next time yes

1793
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,799
anyway um so cities uh what led you to

1794
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:36,880
believe that what you were seeing in the

1795
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:39,760
images wasn't natural a natural rock

1796
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:42,240
formation but was actually

1797
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,200
some kind of a city or a man-made

1798
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,920
structure well for me you know when i

1799
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:49,520
see seven

1800
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:53,119
almost equally spaced parallel lines

1801
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,160
which are

1802
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,240
clearly roads

1803
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:58,640
carved into the ground and then you see

1804
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:01,760
block after block of of you know what

1805
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,799
look like city block houses with you

1806
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:06,319
know some of them with two stories

1807
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:09,599
swimming pools hotels restaurants

1808
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:12,720
um processing plants you know

1809
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,079
mining operations uh

1810
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,559
trucks what looked like big support

1811
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,559
structures um

1812
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,920
you know

1813
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,760
tanks of some kind that have tubes

1814
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:25,039
running out of them when you see all

1815
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,240
that stuff

1816
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,520
and it's all together in one

1817
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,359
concentrated area it's pretty easy for

1818
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,680
me to say to myself oh okay this is not

1819
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,839
natural this is clearly

1820
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,000
artificial because nature doesn't make

1821
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,400
seven straight parallel roads

1822
01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:40,079
emerging from what looks like it used to

1823
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,799
be a a waterway like a lake or something

1824
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,400
and leading into this beach this would

1825
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:46,160
look really nice beach beachfront

1826
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,520
property plus

1827
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,720
when i'm looking at something like the

1828
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,880
so-called parrot city

1829
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,880
what i found was that

1830
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:55,200
the nasa

1831
01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,119
images of that the ones that nasa had

1832
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:59,119
originally put out

1833
01:07:02,150 --> 01:07:00,480
there was an area that looked really

1834
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,160
really dark and it had some vertical

1835
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,240
some sort of straight lines on it

1836
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,559
and um

1837
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:08,160
those appeared you know it appeared to

1838
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:11,599
be like a dried up lake bed but then

1839
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,000
there was a request made by a member of

1840
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,400
the public and this gets into this whole

1841
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:18,559
masonic you gotta ask the right question

1842
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,720
thing that requested another shot of the

1843
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,920
parrot because they were interested in

1844
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:23,280
the parrot and what they got was a shot

1845
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:26,720
of the city but the difference between

1846
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,160
the original nasa versions of this area

1847
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,599
and the new picture that they took even

1848
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,520
though it was with the same camera

1849
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,920
was that this dark area you could see

1850
01:07:40,510 --> 01:07:37,680
and again this is all in my picasa web

1851
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,520
album if you go to my go to my

1852
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:42,079
mikeberry.blogspot.com and click on

1853
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,839
photos and click on picasa web album

1854
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,039
it's all there in the pictures for

1855
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,200
ancient aliens on mars too

1856
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,720
what you could see was that this dark

1857
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,119
area was actually white it looked like

1858
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,839
concrete and it was not flat and spread

1859
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,440
out but it was vertical and what they

1860
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,039
had done is they had taken the image of

1861
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:59,200
the city and they had stretched it out

1862
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,160
wide

1863
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:01,920
to make it look

1864
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,880
less unnatural because what this white

1865
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,039
concrete stuff was with

1866
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,599
these straight lines which were actually

1867
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:11,839
stiffening they were like stiffening um

1868
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:15,039
beads in in the structure was it was

1869
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,880
about a 600 foot tall retaining wall and

1870
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,040
nature just doesn't make 600 foot tall

1871
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,960
vertical retaining walls

1872
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:25,040
like it did around this city so i looked

1873
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,880
at that and i went well

1874
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:28,799
that's artificial so for me it's pretty

1875
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,040
easy when i see stuff like that i get

1876
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,080
you know stunned by it and

1877
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:36,080
my jaw drops on the ground and

1878
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:37,679
then i say i can't wait to start showing

1879
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,910
okay another question from the chat room

1880
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:45,839
neutron you're coming up with good ones

1881
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,880
tonight uh question does mike support

1882
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,279
the rumor that china's recent rover

1883
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:53,440
landing on the moon which soon

1884
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,319
deliberately went black

1885
01:09:02,950 --> 01:08:59,359
on its video feed is now being used to

1886
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:02,960
pressure the usa to have the president

1887
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:06,560
trans-pacific treaty talks go their way

1888
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,520
well it's a possibility um

1889
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,679
that you know i didn't believe this crap

1890
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,080
when i first heard it but then my my

1891
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,719
brother's ex-wife actually works

1892
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,159
as an importer

1893
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:20,080
and she sent us some images of what's

1894
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,600
going on right now and the fact is i

1895
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,640
didn't realize this because you don't

1896
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:24,640
hear about it on the news but there's

1897
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,679
basically been a strike um at all the

1898
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,359
docks where they're not bringing nothing

1899
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,600
is coming into the west coast there's

1900
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,080
dozens and dozens of ships out there you

1901
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,839
know off the coast that are ready to

1902
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:37,279
unload their stuff and it's not being

1903
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,400
unloaded and the the rumor around town

1904
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,159
is that you know the chinese are

1905
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,759
creating pressure

1906
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,279
so another way that they might be

1907
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,040
creating pressure to get this agreement

1908
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,199
uh you know pushed through

1909
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:51,520
is by saying look at what we took a

1910
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,640
picture of

1911
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,560
and if you don't agree to this guess

1912
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:55,840
what we're going to do we're going to

1913
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,400
show it to people so to me it's

1914
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,239
it's a possibility i wouldn't three or

1915
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,400
four days ago i would not have

1916
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:04,880
considered that as a possibility but i

1917
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,880
do now because of what i just saw found

1918
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,400
out today which is that

1919
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,800
you know there's something going on and

1920
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,800
there's there's pressure being applied

1921
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,800
politically on the u.s

1922
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,400
to do something the question is what is

1923
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,320
it that they're trying to get the u.s to

1924
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,320
do i i'm not really clear about that but

1925
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,679
it may have something to do with this

1926
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,840
pan pacific treaty

1927
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,120
but see that's really interesting and

1928
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:27,840
this is totally off topic

1929
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,080
i have a friend who drives truck and

1930
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:31,920
drives

1931
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,719
picks up cargo in chicago and then

1932
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:36,159
delivers it and this stuff all comes

1933
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,520
right off the boat and then they

1934
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,000
transport it to where he is and then he

1935
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,400
takes it to a local because it comes by

1936
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,520
train

1937
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:46,000
and he was saying that it was more of a

1938
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,520
teamster

1939
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,600
labor issue going on and that's why

1940
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:51,679
those boats were backing up because they

1941
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:54,320
wouldn't offload them you know so is it

1942
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,920
the government our government saying

1943
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,440
well we're not going to take your stuff

1944
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:58,960
china

1945
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:02,159
just going to bring it by the port but

1946
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,520
we're really not going to bring it into

1947
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,239
port well you know china owns a lot of

1948
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,080
these ports now they i believe they own

1949
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,760
the port of long beach i think they own

1950
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,440
the port of los angeles they've been

1951
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,280
buying up these things

1952
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,719
so if they've bought up more of these

1953
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,320
than we actually realize and they're

1954
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:18,080
controlling them they could basically

1955
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:19,360
just be saying this is shut down and of

1956
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:20,719
course the teamsters are always a great

1957
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,679
excuse for this but you know to me as i

1958
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:25,840
look at it there's some big geopolitical

1959
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,880
games going on right now the question is

1960
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,800
by who and for what reason and what are

1961
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:32,239
they trying to pressure the u.s and the

1962
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:33,199
doing

1963
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,719
um

1964
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,320
and you know what is the u.s holding

1965
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,640
back on that's that's my question what

1966
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,400
is it we're refusing to do and i think

1967
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,640
that that what was his name again the

1968
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:44,880
the guy in the chat room um

1969
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:47,280
neutron neutron and a neutrons question

1970
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:48,640
is one that i have a different answer to

1971
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,480
than i would have two or three days ago

1972
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,320
once i realized wow there's a bunch of

1973
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,760
stuff out there in the ocean just kind

1974
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,800
of sitting there waiting to be brought

1975
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,719
into port and i'm beginning to wonder

1976
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,159
can i go to the store and pick up some

1977
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:00,320
twinkies on thursday are they all going

1978
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:02,960
to be gone i hope not

1979
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,199
i don't know are they made in china

1980
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:07,440
well no but they have to be shipped in

1981
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,560
you know

1982
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:13,110
anyway you can't you can't buy them if

1983
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:14,880
they're not shipped in

1984
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,840
but if they're

1985
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,520
well i mean nothing's made in the united

1986
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:18,640
states so

1987
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,600
obviously it has to be shipped in so

1988
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,840
yeah is anything made in the u.s anymore

1989
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,040
i mean

1990
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:27,920
we make garbage we do that good yeah

1991
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:29,679
well you know i mean there's reasons for

1992
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:30,560
that

1993
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:31,920
which we won't get into because this is

1994
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:34,640
not a political show is it is it rita

1995
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:37,679
well i try to stay out of that area but

1996
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,480
every so often it just you know pops up

1997
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,480
well they do overlap i mean come on they

1998
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,640
they do they do i mean especially when

1999
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,560
you're talking about things that are not

2000
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,199
being revealed like images from the moon

2001
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:51,520
images from mars

2002
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,880
information about ufos that have

2003
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,600
interacted on the planet you know stuff

2004
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,920
that you hear that the smithsonian

2005
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:02,080
picked up at some point time and now

2006
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:03,520
it's

2007
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:05,199
gone

2008
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:06,000
yeah

2009
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,719
it's not political but it's political

2010
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,480
well you know i mean again

2011
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:14,159
i think i would recommend everybody

2012
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:15,760
who's a conspiracy theorist to any

2013
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,880
degree at all go see um go see the film

2014
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:21,199
jupiter ascending because in spite

2015
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,880
of the her of the horrible reviews which

2016
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,880
are completely unjustified

2017
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,120
um it's a very interesting movie and

2018
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,280
it's it's trying to to send you a

2019
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,360
message that everything that goes on

2020
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:33,199
ultimately is commercial all the you

2021
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,480
know everything that you see happening

2022
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,159
in public there's some sort of

2023
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,080
commercial commercial interest behind

2024
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:40,320
that and um you know it even basically

2025
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,159
says the universe operates

2026
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,280
on commercial capitalist principles and

2027
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:47,040
you know i mean the human race and the

2028
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,480
movie are a

2029
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,640
a product that um

2030
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,040
that needs to be used harvested by the

2031
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:55,040
aliens or by the they're not really

2032
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,719
aliens they're humans to survive and

2033
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:58,480
it's like i think if you're into this

2034
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,679
stuff and you really want to understand

2035
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:01,280
where it all comes from i would say go

2036
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,719
see the movie because it's like the

2037
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,239
wachowski brothers

2038
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,480
are trying to wake you up they tried in

2039
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:08,320
the matrix to tell you that

2040
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,120
a lot of what you see is is fake and

2041
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:13,040
that was a metaphor for the financial

2042
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,800
system and this is like right in your

2043
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:17,040
face this is the way things work

2044
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,400
and you've got to bring something to the

2045
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,480
table so it's pretty interesting stuff

2046
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:21,840
just sorry i just thought i would tell

2047
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,239
people that jupiter rising huh jupiter

2048
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,560
is sending ascending

2049
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:28,400
i'm gonna have and jupiter is jupiter is

2050
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,960
mila mila kunis who is uh

2051
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,880
is always nice to look at in the movie

2052
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,920
even though i think she might have

2053
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,239
botoxed a little over botox to her

2054
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:37,760
forehead because one of her eyes is kind

2055
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:39,120
of droopy now i hadn't noticed that

2056
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:41,120
before so

2057
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,400
anyway

2058
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:44,480
okay now we're really you know that way

2059
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,280
we can like send out some good february

2060
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,679
mojo vibes to her you know yeah let's

2061
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,120
get let's just tell her you know because

2062
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:52,719
well that can happen if not that i would

2063
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,000
know but if you if you take a shot of

2064
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:56,239
botox too close botox too close to your

2065
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,040
eye

2066
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,280
muscles

2067
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:01,199
ghosts go dormant so

2068
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,239
i don't know just trying to figure that

2069
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,600
out i'm like wow what's what's going on

2070
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,360
with her eye i remember we remember when

2071
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:07,199
katie holmes had the whole bell's palsy

2072
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:08,640
thing in batman and nobody could figure

2073
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,719
out why she looked different and

2074
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,480
you cannot remember that yeah okay all

2075
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,760
right

2076
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:15,679
okay we're just moving along anyway even

2077
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:16,960
though i didn't see all the batman

2078
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,400
movies but anyway

2079
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:20,000
okay so we were talking about these

2080
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,760
cities

2081
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:22,880
um

2082
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,040
how many cities do you think there are

2083
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:26,960
how many individual

2084
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:29,760
locations have you discovered well i've

2085
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,640
seen

2086
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,159
at least three or four i mean there's

2087
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,159
there's the area of sedonia there's this

2088
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,120
parrot city area which is on the um

2089
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,880
in the southern hemisphere

2090
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,640
there's an area called the inca city

2091
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:42,640
which was first discovered in in the

2092
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,640
1960s in the mariner probes and was

2093
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,640
called a city and that's what that's

2094
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,560
what the nasa guys nicknamed it that

2095
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,719
looks an awful lot like buried ruins do

2096
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:53,040
on earth buried ruins of uh

2097
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:56,480
in iraq and and kazakhstan and uh that's

2098
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:57,600
a place

2099
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,760
an area that i cover in in the mars

2100
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:00,880
books

2101
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,480
that i think is of really

2102
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:04,080
great interest and then there's another

2103
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,600
area in

2104
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:07,600
in a high daspas chaos which is a

2105
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,920
chaotic area that the russians

2106
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,239
in 1989 came out and said this is a city

2107
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,080
this is a buried city this looks exactly

2108
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,120
like l.a from would look from the sky in

2109
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:19,440
an infrared image and made quite a big

2110
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:21,040
deal out of it and then nasa went back

2111
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,400
and re-photographed it and you know you

2112
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,080
look at the photographs and sure enough

2113
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,320
it sure does look like

2114
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:29,199
a series of buried structures with um

2115
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:32,239
with very regular streets running at 90

2116
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:33,600
degree angles through it which is

2117
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,560
usually a giveaway that it's um

2118
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:37,920
that you're looking at something

2119
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,320
artificial although it's not proof it is

2120
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,480
it is an indication so you know i've got

2121
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,239
four or five places that i can't wait to

2122
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:46,000
look at not to mention phobos the moon

2123
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,440
of mars which is

2124
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,360
really an asteroid that again has this

2125
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,280
sort of mesh grid

2126
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,520
pattern on it that um

2127
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:56,400
it may itself be you know uh formerly

2128
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:58,000
inhabited so

2129
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,360
we're gonna come to that because i have

2130
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,280
a whole bunch of questions about that

2131
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:03,760
okay a whole bunch okay um

2132
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:06,480
yeah i am like so extra prepared for you

2133
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,520
tonight mike so extra prepared

2134
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,800
so

2135
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:11,760
um

2136
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,120
okay but now you like totally made me

2137
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:15,280
lose my thought okay

2138
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,400
well that's why you have your questions

2139
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:18,080
written down isn't it i know but see

2140
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:19,520
that you know there's the question but

2141
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,080
then there's the follow-up question and

2142
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,760
see i need to not pay attention to the

2143
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,120
chat room because i didn't write my

2144
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:27,280
follow-up question down which and then

2145
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:28,800
we were talking about botox and that

2146
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:32,080
really threw me off um

2147
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,679
with the number of cities that you have

2148
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,760
identified and i'm going to make the

2149
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,840
assumption that there are probably more

2150
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:41,280
yeah i'm just going to make that general

2151
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:42,480
assumption

2152
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:43,280
um

2153
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,000
about how many people would you

2154
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:48,640
guesstimate

2155
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,239
you know would either live in one of

2156
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:52,719
these cities um or could you give it a

2157
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:55,679
comparison size like it would be

2158
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:57,920
parallel to the number of people that

2159
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,199
live in washington dc or live in

2160
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,320
podunkville usa i mean

2161
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,719
what are we talking about size-wise

2162
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,840
um

2163
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,840
that's a really good question you know i

2164
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,440
hadn't really thought about that but but

2165
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:13,520
in terms of the the one area let's say

2166
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:14,800
that's near

2167
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,600
hydaspus chaos on mars

2168
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:19,040
that first the russians and then later

2169
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:20,719
the us

2170
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:24,239
uh photographed i mean that that was uh

2171
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:25,760
that was about the same size as the los

2172
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:28,480
angeles basin um which you know has a

2173
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,199
population of around nine million people

2174
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,440
nine to ten million people so

2175
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:35,760
an awful lot now if you look at the

2176
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,159
ancient the sumerian records that talk

2177
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,560
about the ajiji who are the ones that

2178
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,400
lived on mars they never had anybody

2179
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,320
that big but you know a party that big

2180
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:46,480
but there could have been previous human

2181
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:48,640
inhabitations it's just uh i don't know

2182
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:50,000
i don't know where these guys come from

2183
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,280
but we're talking

2184
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:53,840
you know a lot a lot of people now in

2185
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,840
the other area for instance parrot city

2186
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,000
i would say thousands i would say that

2187
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,840
would be enough it would be about

2188
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:01,679
the same size as let's say hermosa beach

2189
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:02,640
i don't know how many people live in

2190
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:04,800
hermosa beach but i'm i'm guessing you

2191
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:07,360
know 10 15 20 000. so

2192
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,679
you know at the most so that's uh that's

2193
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,280
not as big an area but it does have some

2194
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:14,239
very nice lakefront property there

2195
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,760
in paris city there's some really nice

2196
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,679
looking stuff that

2197
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:19,120
right above the retaining wall it looks

2198
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,400
like it would have a great view so

2199
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,480
sorry

2200
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:26,480
so now you're looking at you know i can

2201
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,960
sell it to you cheap yeah yeah i don't

2202
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,120
think anybody's got any claims on it um

2203
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:33,040
unless you know the abrasive family from

2204
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,040
jupiter ascending has claims on it it's

2205
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,760
possible it's theirs

2206
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,440
oh i'm sure that you know the

2207
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:42,400
governments have already divvied it up

2208
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,400
you haven't told us yet

2209
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:46,159
probably you're trespassing on the

2210
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:53,270
one of the things that i was reading

2211
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,640
about in the book um and i i think this

2212
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:58,080
if you want to get a copy of the book by

2213
01:20:03,030 --> 01:19:59,920
the way i'm sorry did that ever come i

2214
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:03,040
mean i've been finally finally sorry

2215
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,790
you know it has just been a very weird

2216
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,880
period i think on the planet for

2217
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,239
everyone

2218
01:20:16,630 --> 01:20:15,040
so yeah i i just kind of like go with it

2219
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,640
and it's like okay if you can get that

2220
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,199
to me we just went through a mercury

2221
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:21,040
retrograde and you know for people at

2222
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:22,159
poo poo

2223
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:23,920
astrology and mercury retrograde i mean

2224
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,280
give me a break there were so many

2225
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,360
things that went wrong mechanically and

2226
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:29,840
and in terms of shipping and things it

2227
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:31,520
just just there's so many things that

2228
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,040
happened with computers and stuff during

2229
01:20:36,630 --> 01:20:35,040
that period it was one of the worst that

2230
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,640
i've ever experienced and it's like i'm

2231
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,560
sorry but i've done this been through

2232
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:40,960
enough of these that i can honestly say

2233
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:44,400
that uh that they're a real thing i mean

2234
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:46,239
anytime mercury goes retrograde just

2235
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:48,159
don't plan on anything going the way you

2236
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:50,800
expect it to go

2237
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,719
yeah

2238
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:54,719
okay so back to the book and yes i did

2239
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:56,719
get a copy which is why i'm actually

2240
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,630
one of the things you talk about and

2241
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:04,320
which you know i was kind of going

2242
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,800
through it and i flipped the page and it

2243
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:08,880
just totally caught my eye

2244
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:12,320
was this skull shaped structure that i

2245
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:15,040
think was in sidonia area

2246
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:17,040
yeah it's not in sedona it's near where

2247
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,719
one of the the i think spirit or

2248
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:21,360
opportunity rovers um

2249
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,840
took that picture but yeah that's cool

2250
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:27,679
what do you want to talk about i don't

2251
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:34,790
that one is cool it is in incredibly

2252
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,400
scary um there are there are areas

2253
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:40,080
you know as the rovers were covering

2254
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:41,679
mars it took pictures of things that

2255
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:44,400
looked like dinosaur skulls um they

2256
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,640
they're very very similar to dinosaur

2257
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,560
fossils from earth

2258
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:50,560
they're kind of grouped together

2259
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:51,440
and then

2260
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:53,120
joseph skipper i believe is the guy who

2261
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:54,560
discovered this he came across this

2262
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:57,440
object that is quite clearly not a rock

2263
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,400
for those of you who don't know and

2264
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,239
again this is on my uh

2265
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:01,840
my picasa web album and the ancient

2266
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:04,159
aliens on mars two pictures

2267
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:05,760
and uh

2268
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,719
from a distance it looks like

2269
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,080
it looks like there's a little mound

2270
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,920
there like maybe the body's partially

2271
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,440
buried but this is the skull and it

2272
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:15,760
looks like a human skull to a certain

2273
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:16,880
extent

2274
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:19,520
but there's these massive jowls on on

2275
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:21,280
the left and right side kind of tubular

2276
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:23,120
jowls like almost like a stormtrooper's

2277
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:25,600
helmet from star wars or something

2278
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:27,760
and when you zoom up close on it you

2279
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,199
know it has two eye sockets it has a

2280
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,360
bone in between the eye sockets it has

2281
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,880
what appears to be a nose with a couple

2282
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,639
of nostrils these

2283
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,480
heavy heavy jowls and then there's these

2284
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:40,400
deep indentations

2285
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:44,000
on the skull which um

2286
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:46,480
if this head was really a massive bony

2287
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,280
head

2288
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:50,000
and had to be supported by a humanoid

2289
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,679
sized body and this is the size of a

2290
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:53,120
human skull

2291
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:57,040
uh it would need really deep set uh bone

2292
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,040
structures in order for the tendons and

2293
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,960
the muscles to attach properly to the

2294
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:02,560
skull in order for it to move and when

2295
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,400
you look at it that's exactly what it

2296
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,040
has is these really really deep

2297
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:09,199
indentations and you know

2298
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,639
they've never gotten another picture of

2299
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:12,239
this thing um

2300
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:14,000
spirit or opportunity whoever took the

2301
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:15,600
image i think it was spirit i want to

2302
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,480
say

2303
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,719
has long since moved on and we've never

2304
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,480
seen any other pictures of it although i

2305
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,000
suspect the guys at nasa have some

2306
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,760
really good and probably really scary

2307
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:25,840
pictures of it all i can say is

2308
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:27,679
this is not a dude you would want to

2309
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,000
meet in a dark alley some night

2310
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:33,910
this is what his head looked like he was

2311
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,320
one scary guy

2312
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,800
well and there's one series of photos

2313
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:40,880
that you have um

2314
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,760
that

2315
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,760
when you look at it almost looks like

2316
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,080
one of the elongated skulls that you

2317
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:49,199
find out of south america yeah maybe i

2318
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,719
don't know on that particular are we

2319
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,239
talking about the same one i don't i

2320
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:55,120
don't know on page 110 yeah i don't have

2321
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:56,960
a book in front of me okay it says

2322
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:00,480
nearly symmetrical mesa with nearby ruin

2323
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:06,709
on mars what nasa used to call the

2324
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:09,679
skull-shaped mesa which is a mesa nearby

2325
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,880
um yeah it is a it is a mesa that may

2326
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,719
have some natural formation but if you

2327
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,800
draw a line through it on

2328
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,960
through the so-called skull area it does

2329
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,560
look like kind of like a human skull

2330
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,159
kind of like an elongated skull but it's

2331
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:23,840
a very large

2332
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:27,679
um land formation near the face on mars

2333
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,679
but it's the thing about that is that is

2334
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,960
that if you draw the line through it

2335
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,120
vertically instead of horizontally for

2336
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,280
symmetry it you can see that it's eroded

2337
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,960
symmetrically and things that erode

2338
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:39,120
symmetrically used to be symmetrical and

2339
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:40,800
nature

2340
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,280
does not make symmetry except in really

2341
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,199
rare circumstances especially on that

2342
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,760
scale so what i think is that that is

2343
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,520
something that's probably

2344
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,600
an eroded artificial structure of some

2345
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:53,600
kind made by whoever made the face on

2346
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,320
mars and the rest of that stuff there

2347
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,719
so this is this one is actually by

2348
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,159
sedona

2349
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,440
sidonia yeah very near it

2350
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:04,960
see i think that's really interesting

2351
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:13,110
artifact oh but that's skeletor that's

2352
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:14,400
just what they call

2353
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:16,719
paradoya you're just seeing faces it's

2354
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,639
not like they're really there i don't

2355
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,560
know i flipped the page and i'm like

2356
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,120
wait there's a skeleton

2357
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,440
and then i read the text it was

2358
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:27,840
yeah i was being sarcastic um yeah it's

2359
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,360
it's not all in your head there's

2360
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,280
there's all kinds of these

2361
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,360
facial structures um

2362
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,440
all over the martian surface and of

2363
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:37,120
varying sizes and scales but there's

2364
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,639
also apparently some real skulls which

2365
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,960
is the one i talked about earlier

2366
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,440
and so this the real skull that you were

2367
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,719
talking about

2368
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,800
how big is it i mean is it giant skull

2369
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,639
or is it human it's the size of a human

2370
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:50,080
it's about the size of a human head from

2371
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:51,600
the distance and scale of the camera

2372
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,199
yeah it's it's maybe a little bigger um

2373
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,880
but you know a guy who's seven or eight

2374
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,719
feet tall i mean we're talking

2375
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,639
we're talking shaq size i mean look to

2376
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,400
you and me

2377
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:04,159
shaquille o'neal is a giant right i mean

2378
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:05,600
he's a big dude

2379
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,600
um

2380
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,360
that doesn't mean that he's he doesn't

2381
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,000
seem like he's very nice

2382
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,400
no he doesn't i hear he sweats a lot too

2383
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,320
from what i hear

2384
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,199
more emails barry told me that

2385
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:21,120
anyway

2386
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,880
no i didn't mean it that way

2387
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,560
sorry

2388
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,639
that's a lot that's

2389
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:29,040
just to not go there yeah let's just not

2390
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,320
go there

2391
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,400
because i just don't want them going hey

2392
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:34,000
this is what he said i see now i'm like

2393
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,520
looking for that other head but i think

2394
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:38,080
i've seen that yeah the record i did not

2395
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:40,560
say that maureen slept with shaq okay

2396
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,000
i'm not saying that just for the record

2397
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,239
and her last name is no

2398
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:48,000
what's her email what's her email

2399
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:49,679
address some people know who she is

2400
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,080
she's on uh she was on uncovering aliens

2401
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,920
with me she was my my co-star on

2402
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:56,159
covering aliens so

2403
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:57,679
i know but you didn't invite me on the

2404
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:59,920
show so well i you know

2405
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,600
we didn't get enough episodes we wanted

2406
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:03,520
more but they

2407
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:05,360
they were just not a very

2408
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,800
i don't know that was a network they

2409
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,000
just kind of

2410
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:10,000
i don't know they didn't uh but the guys

2411
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,440
who were supporting the show left the

2412
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,280
network and you know it's just one of

2413
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:15,199
those stories one of those one of those

2414
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:16,480
hollywood stories where you end up

2415
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,840
disappointed something could have been

2416
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,679
great kind of like star trek you know it

2417
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:21,280
got stopped before its time it should

2418
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,199
have kept going for several more years

2419
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,520
and and it did but just think it's been

2420
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:27,360
in reruns for

2421
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,639
40 years well so we i mean we just had

2422
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,400
just on valentine's day they spent they

2423
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,800
had eight hours of uncovering aliens

2424
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,880
they repeated the the four episodes over

2425
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:38,400
and over and over again there's actually

2426
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:39,199
enough

2427
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:41,120
there to cut like

2428
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:42,800
six episodes they only ever cut four but

2429
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,320
they repeated them in a big marathon on

2430
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:46,400
valentine's day and i'm like i don't

2431
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:47,600
know if i should be flattered or not

2432
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,880
they did put us in prime time and maybe

2433
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:50,400
they put some prime time you know in a

2434
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:52,880
week where they fit a weekend um on you

2435
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:54,800
know on where they offer nobody i

2436
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:57,199
figured nobody would be watching but

2437
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:58,239
you know i don't know i don't know what

2438
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,520
the ratings were for that particular

2439
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,360
showing but it was uh it's kind of

2440
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:03,440
flattering they're still showing it

2441
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:06,000
but that is good i don't think it's hit

2442
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:07,600
netflix

2443
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:10,159
so no but we should we should hope that

2444
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:12,080
it does because it would be cool if it

2445
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:12,840
was on

2446
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:15,760
netflix then i'll actually watch it

2447
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,960
um

2448
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,400
you know you keep talking about these

2449
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:20,000
pictures that are in your book and the

2450
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:24,880
pictures that are on your web page

2451
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,149
go to the photos and

2452
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,719
click how recent are they

2453
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:35,120
like one more recent one how recent are

2454
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,520
they well some of them were just taken

2455
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,000
you know a few months ago by by when the

2456
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:42,080
book was was being put together so some

2457
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,440
of them are very new i mean there's

2458
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:45,679
pictures of of artifacts of things on

2459
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:48,239
the surface that were taken by the

2460
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:51,280
curiosity rover back in uh back just you

2461
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:53,120
know after it arrived a couple years ago

2462
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,719
so we're talking about stuff that's been

2463
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:57,120
up only fairly recently that when it

2464
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,719
landed there was this big

2465
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,639
pyramidal object in the distance that

2466
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,320
when you uh

2467
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:04,639
when you enhance it it looks exactly

2468
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:08,080
like the bent pyramid in sakura egypt

2469
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,440
and

2470
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:11,199
for some reason they just never got

2471
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,040
another clear picture of that the entire

2472
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,199
time they've been roving around gale

2473
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,880
crater on mars they've never gotten

2474
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,239
another really good picture of that

2475
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,040
sucker i don't i don't know why

2476
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:23,120
well and i'm asking because some of the

2477
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:24,719
pictures that are in the book because i

2478
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:27,120
haven't been to your web page in a while

2479
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,239
are remarkably clear or they appear

2480
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:32,719
remarkably clear yeah compared to some

2481
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,520
of the other ones that are like huh

2482
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,360
well that's a lot of cleaning up on my

2483
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,880
part also you have to remember that when

2484
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,159
you're looking at the images in the book

2485
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,159
you're losing resolution

2486
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:43,920
by a significant factor because it's

2487
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,679
it's really hard to translate what you

2488
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:47,440
see on a computer screen

2489
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,560
to

2490
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:50,239
the print medium print medium is just

2491
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,239
not the best for for that and what

2492
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:54,560
happened was is that from the moon book

2493
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:57,440
to the mars books i got a lot better at

2494
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:58,239
at

2495
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,920
um you know

2496
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,679
you working with the images to get them

2497
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:03,360
to show up good in print to show up

2498
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,950
images on the projectors never look as

2499
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:22,320
good as i can see them on my computer

2500
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,760
screen that's really really frustrating

2501
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,040
but that's

2502
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:27,360
that's just um you know the way it goes

2503
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:28,880
i'm looking at a picture right now of a

2504
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,520
cowbell on mars so that's that's

2505
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:33,840
interesting

2506
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:36,159
turbochargers all kinds of stuff captain

2507
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:38,639
kirk's phaser that he dropped

2508
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:41,280
or what we think are those things well

2509
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:43,520
we don't know exactly there's something

2510
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:44,719
similar to that there's there's one

2511
01:30:47,110 --> 01:30:46,000
image though that somebody found it's

2512
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:47,120
it's a

2513
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:51,600
uh and it's just so obviously mechanical

2514
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:54,960
i just you know i i can't even

2515
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:56,800
i i i can't say enough about how

2516
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,590
as you know my engineering background

2517
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:03,920
i'm just like yeah that's

2518
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,390
for something

2519
01:31:12,629 --> 01:31:10,560
um

2520
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:12,639
why do you i mean do you think that they

2521
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,560
were just as bad as us and they just

2522
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,560
littered everywhere or do you think

2523
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,199
something happened that dispersed all

2524
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,360
this material yeah some bad stuff

2525
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:23,280
happened and again you know to go back

2526
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,639
to um

2527
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,719
uh some of the interpretations of some

2528
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:28,320
of the tablets that system did that

2529
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:30,480
there that what he says happened

2530
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:32,719
essentially was around 12

2531
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,880
800 years ago

2532
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:36,480
that nibiru

2533
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:38,800
made an unusually close approach to the

2534
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,120
inner solar system and got you know

2535
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:43,600
close enough to the asteroid belt

2536
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:46,800
that it it kind of pelted the earth with

2537
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:48,800
and and mars with meteors and i think

2538
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:51,360
mars took a couple of really big hits

2539
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:53,120
and uh you know some of them may have

2540
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,040
been fairly direct hits

2541
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:57,120
on some of their structures and and

2542
01:32:04,470 --> 01:31:58,400
really

2543
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:04,480
damaged a lot of this equipment so it's

2544
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:05,600
not that they're

2545
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:07,280
necessarily litter bugs it's just that

2546
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,480
they uh

2547
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:10,000
they've kind of got you know they got

2548
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:11,679
hit pretty hard by something that that

2549
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:12,480
really

2550
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:15,760
messed up i messed up the earth and also

2551
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:18,719
messed up mars during that period

2552
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:19,600
okay

2553
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:23,920
attention here and talk about

2554
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,560
phobos is that how you say it

2555
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:29,280
you do pronounce it phobos yes

2556
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:30,800
which is a

2557
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:34,000
satellite or a moon of mars correct

2558
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:36,239
it's called the moon of mars it's really

2559
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:37,679
if you look at it it appears to just be

2560
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:40,000
an asteroid that's in orbit

2561
01:32:42,629 --> 01:32:41,520
right around the equator which is really

2562
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:42,639
interesting

2563
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:43,920
so yeah

2564
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:46,960
okay so what makes it so special so

2565
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,280
mysterious what makes it interesting and

2566
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:51,600
mysterious is that um

2567
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:58,229
what makes it interesting and mysterious

2568
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:00,639
is that you know when the russians first

2569
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:03,760
got close to it in 1989 and

2570
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:06,080
took images and then took took spectral

2571
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:08,320
measurements of it what they found was

2572
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:10,560
that it was too light

2573
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:12,960
given its composition and what they

2574
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:15,360
discovered or what they suspected was

2575
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:17,440
that there were these very large hollow

2576
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:21,040
voids inside of phobos and when we went

2577
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:22,560
back and revisited it and took more

2578
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:23,520
pictures of it and took more

2579
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:25,360
measurements we discovered that yeah

2580
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:26,880
there's there's like

2581
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:27,840
you know

2582
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,560
rooms inside of this thing 200 by 200

2583
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:32,400
feet which is

2584
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,159
basically the size of a ballroom at a

2585
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,800
hotel i mean it's a pretty good sized

2586
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,639
uh room in terms of square footage there

2587
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:40,239
was a whole bunch of these cavernous

2588
01:33:43,669 --> 01:33:41,440
areas inside of it and then when you

2589
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:43,679
look at the outside of it you have this

2590
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:46,400
mesh pattern this cross hatching on it

2591
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,800
which a lot of it is below the dust and

2592
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:50,960
debris at the surface and so it looks

2593
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,600
like something that may have been

2594
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:55,360
at one time

2595
01:34:02,550 --> 01:33:59,280
uh an artificial construct that has now

2596
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,560
either had interiors that has now been

2597
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:04,560
emptied out or abandoned and is floating

2598
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:06,080
around in orbit

2599
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:07,520
around

2600
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:10,880
lot of things about it that make it kind

2601
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,159
of unusual

2602
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,400
and uh if you if you believe in the

2603
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:16,320
accretion model of the solar system

2604
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:19,280
which is that you know objects

2605
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:21,120
big clumps of rocks

2606
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:23,120
smacked together instead of destroying

2607
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:24,719
each other they magically glued

2608
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:26,880
themselves together there shouldn't be

2609
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:28,880
any of these voids so

2610
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:31,120
you know the the logical solution to

2611
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:32,719
logical conclusion

2612
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:34,800
is that what you're really looking at is

2613
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:37,600
something that has been hollowed out to

2614
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:39,280
some extent and then you look at the

2615
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,960
outside with the mesh pattern and the

2616
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,639
cross action and you're like

2617
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,159
that really doesn't look very natural

2618
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:46,320
either so there's a lot of argument and

2619
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:48,320
some support for the argument

2620
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:54,070
okay so i'm going to kind of throw a

2621
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:56,320
left ball question at you but i have a

2622
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,360
very

2623
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:59,280
i know what answer i want to hear so i

2624
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:01,440
just am going to ask the question do you

2625
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:02,880
happen to know

2626
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,199
if they have identified how many of

2627
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:08,000
these chambers are internal

2628
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:09,679
to that structure i do not know the

2629
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:11,760
exact number now i don't know that

2630
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,960
right

2631
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:14,400
sorry doesn't give you the answer you

2632
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:16,080
wanted i'm sure that

2633
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:16,960
no

2634
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:19,280
why okay but but if you ever find out

2635
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,440
and you hear that there are eight

2636
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:23,679
caverns in there okay

2637
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,159
you have to remember and call me or

2638
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:28,639
email me or something because i have a

2639
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:31,040
very specific reason for that number but

2640
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:33,199
i'm just i'll just save that

2641
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,000
but

2642
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,719
eight the magic number

2643
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:38,400
anyway um

2644
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:40,080
okay so you're suggesting that they

2645
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:42,159
think it's artificial do you think that

2646
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:43,920
it could have been a

2647
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,080
this structure could have been at one

2648
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:48,719
time perhaps a craft

2649
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:50,239
um yeah it could have been something

2650
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:52,159
that was used to transport

2651
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:54,639
people or material to the planet mars

2652
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:56,000
for some reason it could have been like

2653
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:57,600
an orbital station i mean there are

2654
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:59,440
references in various

2655
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:01,199
sumerian tablets there being space

2656
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:02,800
stations orbital stations that kind of

2657
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:05,679
thing around both um the earth the moon

2658
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:06,880
and mars

2659
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:08,800
and it could very well be that but you

2660
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,560
know the question is again we won't know

2661
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:12,080
until we actually

2662
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:14,080
land there and go look now one of the

2663
01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:15,360
things about phobos that's really

2664
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:17,120
fascinating is the presence of this

2665
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:20,719
thing called the monolith on phobos and

2666
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,080
one of the guys who's made a really big

2667
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:24,560
deal out of that is buzz aldrin the

2668
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,840
astronaut the apollo 11 astronaut and

2669
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,600
back in 2009 he was doing an interview

2670
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:30,960
on c-span and he said you know there's a

2671
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:33,199
monolith on phobos it looks just like

2672
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:35,679
the monologue from 2001 and you know lo

2673
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:36,960
and behold

2674
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,800
they turned mars reconnaissance orbiter

2675
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,320
around when it got close enough to

2676
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,800
phobos and it took a picture of this

2677
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:44,639
object that was casting this long shadow

2678
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:47,520
on the surface surface of phobos

2679
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,119
and it looked

2680
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:51,840
exactly like the monolith from 2001

2681
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,440
except that it's white instead of black

2682
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,119
it's a bright color but it's sticking up

2683
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,360
out of the surface just like just like i

2684
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:59,119
mean you really

2685
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,400
you look at the picture and you expect

2686
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:02,080
to see a bunch of apes around it like

2687
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:03,520
you know rubbing their fingers along the

2688
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:04,639
edges of it or something because it's

2689
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:05,679
really incredible it has the same

2690
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:07,679
proportions it appears to be about the

2691
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:10,159
same height and there's even a canadian

2692
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:11,119
mission

2693
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:13,760
that uh supposedly is going to be sent

2694
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:16,880
to the uh to phobos to land on it and

2695
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,960
send a rover out to the monolith and

2696
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,800
take a look at it and

2697
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:22,320
unfortunately they haven't gotten any

2698
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:24,639
final funding for that so it doesn't

2699
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:27,199
appear that it's actually really been um

2700
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:29,199
funded or that it's uh you know it's

2701
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,880
it's gonna happen and until they get

2702
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:32,880
money it's not gonna happen but you know

2703
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:34,080
it could be the americans kind of said

2704
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:35,840
you know you really don't want to do

2705
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,639
that we really don't want you landing

2706
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:40,719
landing on on phobos it's really not a

2707
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,189
well you know but if they go then the

2708
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,679
monolith will take off because that's

2709
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:49,440
what it did in the movie i mean i just

2710
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,159
think that it's amazing that there is a

2711
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,400
structure like that um

2712
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:55,920
but often

2713
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:59,280
uh when we have these writers of science

2714
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:00,400
fiction

2715
01:38:05,270 --> 01:38:03,440
many times their

2716
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:05,280
constructs the constructs of their

2717
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:08,480
imagination end up becoming true

2718
01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:09,280
well

2719
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:11,119
yeah which i find interesting and and

2720
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,679
then you you have to ask yourself

2721
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:15,679
you know did they know something were

2722
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:17,199
they told something did they put

2723
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,800
something in their science fiction story

2724
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:21,119
that in fact you know somebody already

2725
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,480
knew that's the next question which is

2726
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:24,080
which brings me to

2727
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,440
that's why i'm interested in secret

2728
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:26,880
societies and their involvement with

2729
01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:34,550
what kind so you were saying that the

2730
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,920
russians were taking pictures of phobos

2731
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:40,000
they did way back in 1989 and there's a

2732
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:42,159
really famous case

2733
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:44,000
where this probe phobos 2 took pictures

2734
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:45,760
of phobos and then it

2735
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:47,280
it ceased operating and right before it

2736
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:50,239
ceased operating there was this long bar

2737
01:38:54,390 --> 01:38:51,679
shaped object that appeared to be

2738
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:54,400
approaching the phobos 2 probe now

2739
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,080
confused by

2740
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,480
phobos and the russian probe phobos 2.

2741
01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:00,560
it was called phobos 2. and for years

2742
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:01,600
and years and years there's been a big

2743
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:03,679
controversy that this was um this was

2744
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:06,000
some sort of ufo that attacked the

2745
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,679
phobos 2 pro because it was getting too

2746
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,679
close to phobos but

2747
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,679
um what i argue in the book and what i

2748
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,679
found is that i've actually got

2749
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:16,080
copies of all the images that phobos 2

2750
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,440
took of the moon phobos and this is it's

2751
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:21,520
a camera the so-called ufo is actually

2752
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:24,000
just a camera anomaly that appears in a

2753
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:25,760
bunch of different images

2754
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:27,679
in the same place the same time there's

2755
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,920
no details just like a white bar

2756
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:31,520
and it's really just a transmission

2757
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:32,880
error in the

2758
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:34,880
in the data it's not really a ufo so

2759
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:36,000
that was one of the things that i was

2760
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:38,239
able to put to put to rest in terms of

2761
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,440
you know rumors that have been floating

2762
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:42,159
around the ufo community for years

2763
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:43,920
but why would um

2764
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:47,280
russian scientists take pictures of this

2765
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,960
nondescript weird asteroid that was

2766
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:53,119
surrounding mars well i mean scientific

2767
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:54,719
curiosity you know it's always been part

2768
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:56,080
of it it's like that's why we send

2769
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:57,040
probes

2770
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,560
anywhere is we're always trying to you

2771
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,639
know discover things for the first time

2772
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:02,560
and be the first to

2773
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,560
to um to come out with it and i think

2774
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:05,920
the russians were just as interested in

2775
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,560
that kind of stuff as as we were so you

2776
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,320
know i mean why would they do that

2777
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,480
because it's a it's a place to go and

2778
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:14,239
take a look why do we go to titan why do

2779
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:15,360
we go

2780
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:16,960
to any of these places and take pictures

2781
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,480
or make observations it's because we

2782
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,239
want to learn and you know i don't have

2783
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:22,239
a real problem with that there's nothing

2784
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,520
suspicious about to me about the

2785
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:25,920
russians wanting to go investigate

2786
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:28,239
um phobos at all

2787
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:29,360
okay

2788
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:32,639
but they are planning to send another

2789
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:36,080
exploration there or are they

2790
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:38,000
right now there's a proposal that i've

2791
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:40,639
heard of a proposal from the canadians

2792
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:43,360
to send build and send a probe to phobos

2793
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:45,040
and land on it near the monolith and go

2794
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:46,560
right up to it and find out what it is

2795
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:47,360
and

2796
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,719
was the proposal it doesn't seem like

2797
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:52,159
anybody's been given any money even

2798
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,119
though it wouldn't really be very

2799
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:54,800
expensive to do that

2800
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,800
so you know the canadians want to make a

2801
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,639
little way in space or make you know

2802
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:00,639
some some headlines in space i think

2803
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:03,119
it'd be a great way to uh

2804
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:04,719
to do it is let's go investigate the

2805
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,360
monolith and find out what it is it's it

2806
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:09,280
it doesn't look like just a rock it

2807
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:11,040
looks like something really really

2808
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:13,840
interesting and uh that's probably why

2809
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:15,440
the canadians are being discouraged from

2810
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:17,840
actually doing

2811
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:21,280
but it would be so cool

2812
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,400
yeah there's lots of things that would

2813
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,760
be cool but that doesn't mean they're

2814
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:25,360
going to get done right

2815
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,719
i find it very interesting with all of

2816
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:29,600
this

2817
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:32,239
quote unquote scientific interests

2818
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:36,880
in mars that in mainstream news and

2819
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:38,880
mainstream television

2820
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:40,960
you rarely see

2821
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:42,719
anything

2822
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,520
about what's coming from mars

2823
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,360
yeah it's not like on the on the nightly

2824
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,119
news that there's a regular report of oh

2825
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,600
and today you know the curiosity rover

2826
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:53,679
photograph this area of the surface of

2827
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,119
mars near gale crater it doesn't do

2828
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,880
anything it's it's weird because it used

2829
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:58,880
to be when that we had probes around

2830
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:00,159
planets and stuff you used to see that

2831
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,600
stuff on the nightly news all the time

2832
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:03,440
and now it's like they send them up and

2833
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,800
only the space geeks who are willing to

2834
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,719
go to the internet are actually allowed

2835
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:08,000
to see any of this stuff or have any

2836
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:09,440
interest in seeing any of this stuff

2837
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,400
because

2838
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,000
they just don't talk about it on the on

2839
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,639
the mainstream news anymore i you know i

2840
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:16,560
don't know the answer to that i just

2841
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:18,880
it's like they're almost discouraging

2842
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:21,119
interest in space and space travel it

2843
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,560
seems like

2844
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,719
i know that when they had one pro i

2845
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:26,960
think it was curiosity was that one of

2846
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:30,320
the probes that went to mars yeah

2847
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:32,800
they did some kind of you know

2848
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:36,239
pbh whatever special

2849
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,000
talking about

2850
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,159
its adventures and whatever and it was a

2851
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:42,239
little juvenile but it was still really

2852
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:45,280
interesting but it was on some off off

2853
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:48,239
you know like the travel channel or some

2854
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,280
weird

2855
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:51,280
network that

2856
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:52,719
you know why didn't at least get the

2857
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,639
history channel it was i don't know i

2858
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,400
just found it really

2859
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,159
and still find it very interesting that

2860
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:00,320
we don't hear that we've sent another

2861
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,360
probe it landed i mean even just those

2862
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:05,280
kind of updates it's just almost like

2863
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:08,800
this secret uh space

2864
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,880
missions going on that we don't know

2865
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,880
anything about yeah and you know another

2866
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,800
thing about that too that's

2867
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,320
that's um

2868
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:18,800
really intriguing is that you know um

2869
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:20,159
there are no shows like that like even

2870
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,360
on the science channel you would think

2871
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,600
they would have a daily or weekly

2872
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:25,280
science update talking about things like

2873
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,800
that but they but they don't they just

2874
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,320
they they do show a lot of shows about

2875
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,239
aliens they show a lot of shows talking

2876
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:32,560
about conventional physics and

2877
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,159
filling people's heads with ridiculous

2878
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,719
ideas like uh like dark matter and you

2879
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:38,719
know we know this but you know i love it

2880
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:41,280
when neil degrasse tyson and bill nye

2881
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,639
and all these other guys get up there

2882
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:44,639
and say we know this and we know that

2883
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,000
and it's completely wrong that's one of

2884
01:43:49,189 --> 01:43:47,760
my i mean really the science channel is

2885
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:49,199
funnier to me than the comedy channel

2886
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:51,679
comedy central is but but the reality is

2887
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:53,199
is that yeah there's no real show that

2888
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:54,880
does that that talks about that stuff

2889
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,400
and um

2890
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,840
you know the only time you ever see

2891
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:59,040
anything is you see a few internet

2892
01:44:02,070 --> 01:44:00,400
reports when

2893
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:02,080
when there's a big plume on the surface

2894
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:03,520
of mars and that's about it other than

2895
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:05,760
that they just there's there's no daily

2896
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:07,840
scientific reporting and

2897
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,159
you know i i think that's

2898
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:12,320
unfortunately a um

2899
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,960
a a circumstance or or a result of our

2900
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,320
current

2901
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:19,920
culture and civilization but there just

2902
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:21,760
isn't a lot of

2903
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:23,520
interest in that kind of thing and and

2904
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:25,520
you know being smart is not really

2905
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:31,030
i don't know i know a lot of smart

2906
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,000
people

2907
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,639
well i know but you're not

2908
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:36,719
you're not you're not as cool as beyonce

2909
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,390
no i'm not as rich as beyonce and jay-z

2910
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:44,320
but i wouldn't want to be them i'd

2911
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:46,000
rather be me

2912
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:49,600
and rich that work but yeah yeah i

2913
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:51,040
wouldn't want to be beyonce i've always

2914
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,719
wanted to be a man i'm not speaking of

2915
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:54,639
the wachowski brothers uh yeah i don't i

2916
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,960
don't want to be a woman so

2917
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:58,800
let's not go there you know talking

2918
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:02,000
about your dating life now

2919
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,440
i'm available ladies i mean you know

2920
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,920
this is a hot month for me i'm very hot

2921
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:07,199
right now

2922
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:10,320
so ladies if you're listening

2923
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,800
go on his website send them an email

2924
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:14,320
facebook them

2925
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:17,760
yeah i'll be uh he's got a week and a

2926
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:20,239
half not quite yeah i'm gonna be in i'm

2927
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:21,920
gonna be moving to la soon so if you're

2928
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:33,709
this is going to be changed into

2929
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:36,719
matchmaker central

2930
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:41,280
a two-hour show with only one break

2931
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,560
there's plenty of time for that let's

2932
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:44,400
face it this is more like our if this

2933
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:45,760
was coast to coast this would be like a

2934
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,430
well maybe i you know maybe i should go

2935
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,119
look in the chat room see if anybody is

2936
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:55,520
like jumping on the request anybody

2937
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,880
anybody oh carol no

2938
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,360
not carol

2939
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:03,520
were you married to a carol uh no no i

2940
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:06,159
was i was married to a judy but uh but

2941
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:08,080
that's that you know i just was thinking

2942
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:08,960
oh

2943
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:10,880
it is carol but it's not carol okay all

2944
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:14,159
right okay moving on anything else

2945
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:18,950
what else have you found up there i mean

2946
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:20,560
we we have

2947
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:24,159
like 10 minutes left what else have you

2948
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:25,840
discovered up there that we haven't

2949
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:28,000
really talked about well i think that

2950
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:30,560
the fact that there's life there um

2951
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,080
one of the things in ancient aliens on

2952
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:33,920
mars that i also cover in ancient aliens

2953
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,360
on mars too

2954
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:37,040
is the fact that you know when viking

2955
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:40,400
the viking probes landed in 1976

2956
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:42,639
and did soil samples they had a test

2957
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:44,480
called the labeled release experiment

2958
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:46,960
which basically took a martian soil

2959
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:50,639
put it into a little cooker dropped some

2960
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:53,119
nutrients in it and waited to see if

2961
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:56,159
bacteria reacted and consumed the

2962
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:58,960
nutrients and they did

2963
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:01,360
and so the the conclusion from that is

2964
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,000
that there's microbial life on mars

2965
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,840
nasa then immediately said no no it was

2966
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,520
just a chemical reaction and that there

2967
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:09,920
were three other tests for life

2968
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:10,960
which um

2969
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,760
which they also did um at that time and

2970
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:15,119
they all came back negative but we

2971
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:17,679
didn't find out until 2006

2972
01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:19,679
that in all likelihood the other three

2973
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:21,920
tests were not sensitive enough to have

2974
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:24,080
detected microbial life the only one

2975
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,000
that was sensitive enough was the

2976
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:28,320
so-called labeled release experiment

2977
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,800
created by dr gill levin

2978
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,480
who um

2979
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:34,159
and and the one that was sensitive

2980
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,920
enough came back and said there's all

2981
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,239
kinds of microbial life on mars and and

2982
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:40,960
then on ancient aliens on mars one and

2983
01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:43,440
you know i showed pictures of

2984
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:44,480
rocks

2985
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:47,199
near the pathfinder landing site that

2986
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:49,199
changed color

2987
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:52,960
over the seasons as it was colder in

2988
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,320
winter the rocks would get very kind of

2989
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,360
uh brown and normal rock looking and

2990
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:00,960
then as

2991
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,600
things heated up they would become green

2992
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:05,520
and then they would go back from green

2993
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:06,800
to brown to green to brown as the

2994
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:08,480
seasons changed and

2995
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:10,480
what that's an indication of is simple

2996
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:12,639
plant life like lichens like the moss

2997
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,480
you might see on a rock here in the

2998
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:17,280
united states or you know here on earth

2999
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:19,440
growing waxing and waning as the

3000
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,360
biosphere heats up and cools down and

3001
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,960
heats up and cools down so you've got

3002
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:24,480
actual plant life there much more

3003
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:27,040
sophisticated than simple bacteria

3004
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:28,800
uh you've got a visual evidence of that

3005
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:30,080
which i think is really important and

3006
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:32,480
then robert morningstar

3007
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:34,000
i put a couple of his pictures that he

3008
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:35,119
found from

3009
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,280
from curiosity spirit and opportunity

3010
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:39,600
that show you know rocks that have this

3011
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:41,119
fuzzy moss

3012
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,800
all over them they're very green when

3013
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:44,239
you do the the color enhancement when

3014
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:45,440
you correct the color and do the color

3015
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,440
enhancement so i think what you you've

3016
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:49,840
got there is a real clear pattern that

3017
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,280
there is actual primitive plant life

3018
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:54,960
already on the planet mars and that's

3019
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:56,800
something that's just never talked about

3020
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:59,360
and has been you know i think

3021
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:01,199
unfortunately really suppressed over the

3022
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:02,400
last

3023
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:08,480
well and if mart had mars had an

3024
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:11,360
atmosphere and the atmosphere wasn't

3025
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:14,000
totally annihilated so that there's some

3026
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:15,920
level of atmosphere

3027
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:18,080
i find it interesting that there haven't

3028
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:21,760
been any reports or that we know about

3029
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:25,920
of some small forms of animal life i

3030
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:29,199
mean not just bacterial fungus mold

3031
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,480
whatever

3032
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:32,800
but some small form of life that was

3033
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:36,159
able to survive the catastrophe

3034
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:39,280
and reproduce on that planet well you

3035
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:40,400
know i don't know about that there's

3036
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:41,520
pictures that

3037
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,320
you know

3038
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,880
what people think are rats and different

3039
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:51,040
creatures but they all look like to me

3040
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:52,639
like they're fossilized and frozen so i

3041
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:54,719
think whatever happened to mars they uh

3042
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:56,080
they they pretty much are gone i don't

3043
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:57,760
think there's any really sophisticated

3044
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:59,679
um life on mars right now if there is

3045
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:01,119
it's probably all

3046
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,960
living underground and but the thing is

3047
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,040
is that if you have plant life like that

3048
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:07,520
if it flourishes on mars you know what

3049
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,800
what do they teach us in school the

3050
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:10,560
plants do plants

3051
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:13,760
take in carbon dioxide and they give off

3052
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,639
oxygen right and what we need to make

3053
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:18,239
the atmosphere thicker and have more

3054
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:19,920
density is

3055
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:22,239
oxygen so it seems to me that what we

3056
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:23,440
should be doing considering the

3057
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,719
atmosphere of mars is what 99

3058
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:28,320
carbon dioxide

3059
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:31,280
is sending a lot of plant life simple

3060
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,880
lichens just blast it up there in a

3061
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,159
rocket and blast it somewhere on the

3062
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:36,800
surface of mars and let them just start

3063
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:39,040
taking in

3064
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:43,119
off oxygen and if we do enough of it and

3065
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:44,880
send enough of them there

3066
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,239
you know we could have a pretty nice

3067
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,960
place to live on mars in in a couple of

3068
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:51,199
hundred years so to me it's a long-term

3069
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,040
project but it's one that we

3070
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,440
we really ought to pursue because we can

3071
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:57,440
bring mars back to life and if we can

3072
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:58,960
thicken the atmosphere then it can

3073
01:51:02,470 --> 01:51:00,880
retain more heat if it retains more heat

3074
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:02,480
then the water will start to flow again

3075
01:51:07,030 --> 01:51:04,719
when the water starts to flow

3076
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,040
more plants will come back to life i

3077
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:08,639
think a lot of the dormant species and

3078
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,880
dormant um flora and fauna that are

3079
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:12,960
there will come back to life and and we

3080
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,679
could have a really convenient um

3081
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:18,080
you know kind of a second home kind of a

3082
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:21,440
mars could become the beach house

3083
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,080
of the earth the vacation getaway

3084
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,840
for the one percenters

3085
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,679
well

3086
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:30,000
i actually think that that's what

3087
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,480
happened with our planet that some group

3088
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:34,800
came here billions of years ago with

3089
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:36,800
their blue green algae

3090
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,679
and

3091
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:40,400
terraformed it you know took this carbon

3092
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:43,840
monoxide carbon dioxide covered planet

3093
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:45,040
and

3094
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:49,119
think it's interesting that you're

3095
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,560
suggesting that

3096
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:52,719
we go and terraform

3097
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:54,239
mars

3098
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:55,679
well yeah i think it's just something

3099
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:58,000
that that we ought to be doing and we

3100
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:59,280
haven't done

3101
01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:01,119
and uh you know i don't know why we're

3102
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,560
waiting i mean there there some people

3103
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:04,639
are you know kind of wacko about it and

3104
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,920
saying oh well you know we don't want to

3105
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:08,000
interfere with the martian piouser it's

3106
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:09,920
like what what biosphere the planet's

3107
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:12,480
basically dead so let's you know some

3108
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:15,280
life is better than no life and um i

3109
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:17,599
think it's i think it would be good for

3110
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,480
us if uh if we had a second

3111
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,560
home and you could certainly make mars

3112
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:24,239
into that and i just think it would be a

3113
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:25,840
grand project that the human race could

3114
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:28,000
devote itself to that really wouldn't be

3115
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:29,520
that expensive i mean we could shoot

3116
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:31,360
rockets off

3117
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:34,480
on a fairly regular basis to to mars and

3118
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:35,679
reseed it and we could certainly

3119
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:37,199
genetically engineer i mean look if we

3120
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,800
can genetically engineer tomato we can

3121
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,560
genetically engineer

3122
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:42,480
plants that are really super efficient

3123
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,520
at that reproducing and sucking up the

3124
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,199
carbon dioxide and replacing it with

3125
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:49,599
oxygen and you know we could turn it

3126
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:51,040
into a really

3127
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:53,679
temperate temperate nice attractive fun

3128
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,960
place to go um in a relatively short

3129
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:58,400
amount of time and i think it would be a

3130
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:00,400
great project for us to to commit

3131
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:06,950
and then you could say you're a martian

3132
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,040
yeah because people could go there

3133
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:11,280
and they wouldn't have to die

3134
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:18,790
okay so i'm going off topic because i

3135
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:20,320
there were a bunch of questions in the

3136
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:22,080
chat room that i didn't pay attention to

3137
01:53:26,310 --> 01:53:23,520
so i'm going to pay attention to them

3138
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:26,320
now well i know it's bad of you to do

3139
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,040
that

3140
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:30,000
well we should answer the questions

3141
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:31,760
give the people they might pay attention

3142
01:53:35,830 --> 01:53:34,239
to the chat room and then i don't pay

3143
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:35,840
attention to you and then

3144
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:38,239
it's it's a catch 22.

3145
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:40,400
people what they want rita oh i'm

3146
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:43,119
working and i'm working it

3147
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,880
but they want you mike um this is from

3148
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:49,280
cruisey and the question is do the

3149
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:52,400
pyramids on the moon correlate with any

3150
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,239
of the pyramids on earth or mars

3151
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,639
uh there's one pyramidal object that i'm

3152
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:00,880
really aware of on the moon that's the

3153
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:04,320
so-called daedalus ziggurat which is a

3154
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,719
thing i got into a big argument with a

3155
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:08,560
with a nasa funded guy a couple years

3156
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:11,199
ago um do they correlate yeah they look

3157
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:12,480
like the same architecture you know

3158
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:14,880
that's the thing that's why i think

3159
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:17,599
whoever was on mars was probably human

3160
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:20,080
or humanoid or related to us in some way

3161
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:21,599
like

3162
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,880
something human beings would build i

3163
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,800
mean the scale on mars is vastly

3164
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,719
different there's a there's an enormous

3165
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,320
four-sided pyramid which is a dead

3166
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,320
ringer for some of the pyramids in china

3167
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:36,400
and i even do an overlay comparison

3168
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:38,560
the difference is just scale so it looks

3169
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:40,960
to me like human architecture like

3170
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,480
like they think

3171
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:44,239
with the same aesthetic in terms of

3172
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:46,960
design and engineering and things

3173
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:48,880
that we do and so i think there is a

3174
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:50,800
connection and the connection is in the

3175
01:54:54,229 --> 01:54:52,800
details of how these things were

3176
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:54,239
constructed unfortunately we're not

3177
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,719
going to really know all those details

3178
01:55:00,790 --> 01:54:58,320
until we actually go to some of these

3179
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:00,800
places and land and really take a good

3180
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,390
great

3181
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,719
there has been a lot of talk about

3182
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:09,119
private industry sending

3183
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:12,000
you know people into space into orbit

3184
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,800
possibly to the moon possibly to mars

3185
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:16,560
how do you think that's going and do you

3186
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:20,000
think that it's going to be more

3187
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:23,280
activity coming out of the public sector

3188
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:25,840
breaking through these doors into

3189
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:28,639
space versus the government

3190
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:29,760
um

3191
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:32,719
i think it's going okay and no uh this

3192
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:36,000
is the answer um

3193
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:37,840
you know we are developing some

3194
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:39,440
commercial space interests it's it's not

3195
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:40,960
going all that well i mean you know the

3196
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:42,960
richard branson lost a couple pilots or

3197
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:44,080
at least one

3198
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:46,719
a few months ago uh spacex has had some

3199
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:48,560
some stuff blow up in the pad it's not

3200
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:50,400
that easy you know it is rocket science

3201
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:51,920
after all it's not that easy to put

3202
01:55:56,470 --> 01:55:52,880
these

3203
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:56,480
objects into orbit i think it's going to

3204
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,760
be a long time before the commercial

3205
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:58,960
development is sufficient but i think

3206
01:56:02,229 --> 01:56:00,320
the commercial concerns are what's going

3207
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,239
to drive the future

3208
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:04,320
we're just making really really poor

3209
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:07,360
progress at at you know privatizing this

3210
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:09,280
stuff which is where the progress can

3211
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:10,880
really be made i mean it

3212
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,400
but that's an even bigger question which

3213
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,560
is really bizarre because if you look at

3214
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:16,400
the acceleration of transportation

3215
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:18,159
technology what you see is a curve that

3216
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:19,920
basically is like a straight upward

3217
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:22,239
curve it starts out with human being

3218
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,080
walking then you have beast of burden

3219
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:26,159
you know riding a horse you go from 22

3220
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:29,199
miles an hour to like 24 25 30. you have

3221
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:32,239
the the the steam trains that can go

3222
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:34,159
you know 40 50 60 miles an hour the

3223
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:35,440
automobile

3224
01:56:40,470 --> 01:56:38,400
the airplane you know which which can go

3225
01:56:42,310 --> 01:56:40,480
400 miles an hour then the supersonic

3226
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:42,320
jet airplanes that can go a little over

3227
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:44,960
mach 1 mach 2 mach 3 mach 4 then you

3228
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,199
have rockets we developed rockets in

3229
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:48,960
1960

3230
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:51,360
since we developed the rocket we haven't

3231
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:54,000
developed any technology that can go any

3232
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:56,239
faster than the chemical rocket so the

3233
01:57:01,430 --> 01:57:00,159
curve goes straight up from about 1900

3234
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:01,440
1800

3235
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:03,599
to about 1960 and then it just goes to a

3236
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:06,560
straight flat line now

3237
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:08,239
do you actually folks do you actually

3238
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:10,080
believe that there's been no

3239
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:11,440
breakthroughs in transportation

3240
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:14,560
technology since the 1950s i don't i

3241
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:16,400
think that there is much more advanced

3242
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:17,920
technology that we can travel much

3243
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,840
faster than we are right now

3244
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:21,840
with chemical rockets and that this is

3245
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:24,400
all privately this has all been taken

3246
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:26,800
dark by the government so

3247
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:28,719
the government is going to support

3248
01:57:33,430 --> 01:57:31,599
spacex exploration as long as it remains

3249
01:57:35,669 --> 01:57:33,440
in its current primitive state where it

3250
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:35,679
has been stuck now

3251
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:36,480
for

3252
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:39,679
55 years

3253
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:42,320
and on that note mike

3254
01:57:46,310 --> 01:57:44,320
we need to say goodbye

3255
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:46,320
okay i'm sure the music is rolling but

3256
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:48,320
thank you for coming on i look forward

3257
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:49,840
to your new book

3258
01:57:54,070 --> 01:57:52,639
yes secret societies ancient aliens and

3259
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:54,080
secret societies we'll be talking about

3260
01:57:57,830 --> 01:57:56,480
that the next time i watch okay sounds

3261
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:57,840
perfect to me

3262
01:58:03,910 --> 01:58:00,960
all right thank you so your book amazon

3263
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:03,920
local bookstore everywhere that um

3264
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:05,360
yeah local bookstore i was just in a

3265
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:07,040
barnes and noble here in the seattle

3266
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:09,360
area uh on saturday that had a copy of

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01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:11,360
ancient aliens on mars too so run out

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01:58:15,669 --> 01:58:14,080
there to the uh federal way store

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01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:15,679
and pick it up because it's just sitting

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01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:17,920
there waiting for you

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01:58:22,149 --> 01:58:19,760
mike signed it while he was in in the

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01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:22,159
stream i did i did i signed a bunch

3273
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:23,440
every time i find a book in a store i

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01:58:29,109 --> 01:58:26,080
sign it so cool yeah so they're

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01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:29,119
available that way through amazon.com

3276
01:58:33,910 --> 01:58:30,960
they're also available on kindle there's

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01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:33,920
no audio version yet because we can't

3278
01:58:37,189 --> 01:58:35,520
really find a voice actor to do it and i

3279
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:37,199
don't want to do it so

3280
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:38,880
you know that's where we're at but

3281
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:41,199
things are you know

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01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:44,159
okay i gotta go okay thanks mike talk to

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01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:45,119
you later

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01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:46,400
thanks rita

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01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,480
all right that's mike barra his book is

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01:58:54,310 --> 01:58:51,040
ancient aliens on mars two his webpage

3287
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:57,109
and until next time i'm dr reed louise

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01:59:01,830 --> 01:58:59,199
this is just energy radio

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01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:01,840
be blessed join host dr rita louise each

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01:59:08,430 --> 01:59:04,960
week at this time for just energy radio

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01:59:13,510 --> 01:59:10,390
www.justenergyradio.com for more show

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01:59:15,109 --> 01:59:13,520
information and to contact dr rita

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01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:15,119
until next time